From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: "T.V Raman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does `read-multiple-choice' lock user into minbuffer? 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[24.4.174.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c207sm7810218pfb.159.2020.06.26.07.35.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by raman-glaptop.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 13930) id 9CE0FC2229D; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:35:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87y2oamby3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 26 Jun 2020 11:08:20 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::430; envelope-from=raman@google.com; helo=mail-pf1-x430.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -185 X-Spam_score: -18.6 X-Spam_bar: ------------------ X-Spam_report: (-18.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252541 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: The other function that demonstrates the same issue is read-char-choice and clients that use it --e.g. magit et al then are forced to put up hard to parse prompts of the form [u]rl, [n]ame, ... as an example. Another good example of a hard to use client UI is org's export wizard. Note: If you can see the screen, prompts like the above work once you're familiar with them, with spoken output, they're a complete usability disast= er. -- > K=A8=A6vin Le Gouguec writes: > >> FWIW, back in December[1] Juri mentioned that read-multiple-choice >> should probably be patched to use the minibuffer. > > Yup, I agree. --=20