From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: raman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposed new core library: alert.el Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 08:24:55 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446740715 549 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2015 16:25:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:25:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 17:25:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuNLX-0003wb-2m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:25:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33361 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuNLW-00035N-HX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:25:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuNLT-00035B-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:25:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuNLP-00037i-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:25:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]:35372) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuNLP-00037d-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:24:59 -0500 Original-Received: by pasz6 with SMTP id z6so95249863pas.2 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 08:24:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=S/PzVkaVwQjFChcn1pXrW9zPWnt4uZlBE5RUAqkSyug=; b=eTINHRVclvb/RUktqjj/05GuzmLi8JG9n6b/GCbO8lM8YoFEeHWuCbmS7+WbCrnnqi f7p2gF1+RHbE0mBzZDPkxqRCAFP5iLYYWW9e593///9gP/JhYg9dMdtjoFsuC6WCxBYH Ssrd6CAXaVeh1TbVkFD/3Ec0SOcUneYSRHpnuGO5iJlCth8O361oMi0bPhSWQ4dqybyh +dNG8BPjzKfsO25fcOTLl3rnlqja+FKE69S19x2lQ9DEPonJeN+BTExMBXopJr62IDJl IVFCC2zIXgiJHOWMwa0CP3GRgcy1uNxKdN6snR2DaGssS0x0XQH3mJbmujqLeeTn9C94 AEbA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=S/PzVkaVwQjFChcn1pXrW9zPWnt4uZlBE5RUAqkSyug=; b=D9cqebkgwa7+wbrFFx1eFe+jdax6Ad0bhmI1nZx5n5rge7/BTp2XtWCRZuxDQGLyQC CozZa5tg4BNY6KKj7adN9SIyCeqkRnXArHRCFbXand4r4y6uZmobbEpePmUFfmpjv0Sb w7pK5u4Ppi8EOCN07yJlZaYktTrGP/hVWKoUYZxWSlSEETcHfC9Lrz6P343x9vnCKXaW +pvqb8cCnUrpzeXtiaH/8tw5TYI201rgyOARPTPqWhD/EA3cqw4SAcmCNQkPYa2DD3im xfyRMj7jZd7CVDqrklDA3dXDlwgn45mflB0e2klCMcERss8jTEPkM2pgR33svAcrDEUH GMbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlIcQuKOpYd7q43v45HHubExlo3fP3j28L/0xmFkc1zmkvR4wxarjvtjo9FTrPsb84jxYOG X-Received: by 10.68.57.205 with SMTP id k13mr10381588pbq.4.1446740698212; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 08:24:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from raman-glaptop2 ([207.198.105.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id qf2sm8828992pbb.3.2015.11.05.08.24.57 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Nov 2015 08:24:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:05:49 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193311 Archived-At: 1+. At this point the only hammer available to package authors is message and it's turned into a rather blunt/heavy-weight hammer. One thing I'd request we do as we bring in package alert or its equivalent and encourage its use --- make it possible for async vs sync notifications to be user controlled. Witness the havoc that resulted a few months ago when package.el tried to update packages in the background; emacs became extremely distracting / unusable because of the large number of messages that spewed out in the echo area. There would be value in distinguishing informational vs alert messages at the API level, and hopefully alert can help there. --