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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254440 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: I was thinking more of manipulating DOM (Document Object Model) structures via elisp code rther than JS> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents read= ing my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > At the same time, having a "web in emacs extension language" might > > allow us to imagine, invent, and create a whole new class of > > collaborative interactions > > That phrase is evocative, but it isn't concrete. It could mean many > things. To me, it suggests the idea of a web site that people > interact with through a particular Emacs Lisp program. Is that what > you mean? > > If a web site intends users to run some specific Emacs Lisp program, > the way to do this and respect the users' freedom is to release > that program like any other free software package. That way, users > can make and use modified versions. Users and distros can release > and maintain their versions, too. > > But I don't see that this has anything to do with the question > of Emacs and Javascript. Javascript plays no role in it. > > If you mean something else, could you describe it more clearly? --=20 =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8