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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251362 Archived-At: Michael Heerdegen writes: Here is a slightly different perspective --- as someone who pretty much does everything Web from emacs --- and have done so for a long time, especially during the dark years when W3 was moribund and EWW did not exist, I got used to using org-capture for managing bookmarks. It has some of its own advantages and encourages a slightly different workflow -- especially if one is already using org-capture to quickly remember ideas and organize them later.> Matthias Meulien writes: > >> > How should the bookmarks behave? Should they be exact counterparts >> > of eww bookmarks? >> >> I went through what eww info manual says on bookmarks and used those >> bookmarks once to understand what is the provided feature; I can't >> find anything not available from standard bookmarks. Can you give >> details on what would be lost if eww used bookmarks.el? > > I don't think anything would be lost. My setup is very different (I'm > saving Internet-related bookmarks in firefox and consult them from > Emacs), so I want to find out what a behavior users expect/prefer. > >> > Should they be linked to eww, or should it be possible to open them >> > also with another browser (e.g. w3m). >> >> May be use `browse-url-default-browser`, but it's a different >> discussion IMOH; The current need is to make the user life simpler >> with a single place to search their bookmarks > > Yes, but we need to specify some handler for the bookmarks, so it's > something to decide now. > >> > Finally, what should I specify as `defaults' list for the name >> > suggestions available when you are prompted for a name for a new >> > bookmark? Just the url? >> >> An HTML document may have a "title" element; Isn't it possible to use >> the value of that element when available? And the URL otherwise. > > I'll have a look. > > Thanks, > > Michael. > --