From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ndame Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:52:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8wXYP4GY9hwW-9mYv6_LGMETZ8Vz3Ob1Bec6yh6kPT7yxjTkxA3V6dXY4ELra9tYiJUxJmgXKSIEX4w8HFiPRoeGVSQHDSoBVy1voj1e3Qo=@protonmail.com> <83zhbcg6s4.fsf@gnu.org> <833694f29y.fsf@gnu.org> <4amRIW9fznS6sa3th4xPABzua9LQDlNPeIFxVsGYdq_wsg4-Ea1l9sEP-T6QrnO5QMV3jhgrnAspk2mSIC7COlodqr04koAcIPYPLLmPHFM=@protonmail.com> <83imhzecc5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: ndame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="6169"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "yandros@gmail.com" , "dgutov@yandex.ru" , "rms@gnu.org" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 16 17:52:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jP6oq-0001VV-Mq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36220 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jP6op-0004gd-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:52:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53105) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jP6oK-0004GU-Pk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:52:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jP6oI-0004OL-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:52:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.135]:17599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jP6oI-0004Mg-BM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:52:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=default; t=1587052331; bh=2IiI2CS91JrRBVZfOMRFmtZpGW1EJr9HW75z1KqBqyc=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=vxvTCFjKpVSQqhJnzoLIANqvC9JsNlijN0jTWfpPe8K98gq0Y9ivdqx9y4ma3haS0 U33SvB1dJ6Qpvfp+n1h9oWEW0aGZYlMJjxxRa7EXNSVLrnEDCAdiqbFwLCRV4nTrnA xPJ9/cbaFCucZEo0a422YQBCzam0aJMA+whdoZP4= In-Reply-To: <83imhzecc5.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.70.40.135 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247094 Archived-At: On Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:26 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I think you are generalizing too much here. We don't use toolkit > widgets for every element of our GUI. So some "buttons" are native > (for example, the tool bar of the GTK+ build), while others are not. I thought Customize buttons are native on some platforms, but I checked, and now I see they are just faces. It could improve appearance quite a lot if someone with a feel for graphica= l design took a look at faces and created some more modern looking defaults.