From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <83r3we2jb9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417803198 6448 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 18:13:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 18:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 19:13:11 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxNN-0001yY-W7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:13:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51812 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxNN-00012z-Hc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:13:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50307) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxN6-00012Y-5V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:12:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxMz-0007ta-Lc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:12:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxMz-0007tO-Ic for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:12:45 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwxMu-0005Fb-Mh; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:12:41 -0500 X-Spook: Etacs Security Council csystems AMW Cohiba encryption X-Ran: $V~c+`i2?}|_~U\1|SyUj@aE74z.G;Wd4QP3>o%"XQ)NBT6NRW(?=FD]\Pm5h*$IXXk''J X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <83r3we2jb9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:43:54 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178972 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I think you are putting the wagon before the horse here. Selection of > the tools and the language used to write documentation should be up to > the people who actually are writing most of the docs. Those people > (full disclosure: I'm one of them) are acquainted to, and proficient > in Texinfo as the source language. They currently know close to > nothing about AsciiDoc. In addition, the manpower we have for working > on the documentation is already too thin, and it already started > showing in the quality of the Emacs manuals. I think this is a pretty crazy discussion. Just want to say that I agree with you. I've written a lot of Emacs documentation. I like Texinfo, I'm used to Texinfo, Texinfo is not the problem. I have no enthusiasm for throwing out all that experience just because of some buzz-words being thrown around. I worry about the recent apparent trend in Emacs to throw over established ways of working, in favour of new methods proposed by people who frankly don't contribute much to Emacs, don't seem to understand its development practices, and don't seem to hold the people who actually do work in much respect. I'm especially disappointed to see this topic being raised at a time when Stefan asked for less arguing and more actual work. And that's about all I have to say on these silly "meta" topics. Quick, someone write an angry blog post about people being stuck in the mud, and unwilling to adapt to new ideas! Please keep fighting the good fight, Eli.