From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <4pd9g15e.fsf@blue.sea.net> <874pd92ias.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y7al11a1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87fxwraon5.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200885410 31788 80.91.229.12 (21 Jan 2008 03:16:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:16:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 21 04:17:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JGn9o-0003j5-Uz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:17:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGn9P-0002jy-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JGn8p-0002YT-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JGn8o-0002Xe-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGn8o-0002XX-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JGn8n-0000ZP-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:05 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JGn8n-0004ko-H9; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:05 -0500 X-Spook: terrorism Noriega defense information warfare 64 Vauxhall X-Ran: %i7fCug7D-99[C#ztTik"Nf=XSBD(%%2d&"\TlqGS (Miles Bader's message of "Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:49:03 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87171 Archived-At: I'm thoroughly fed up with this subject. Is anyone trying to tell me, that switching to some hip new version control system is going to make people start applying the patches that currently sit around in this mailing list for weeks? Or that when there is a shiny new bug tracker, people will suddenly start fixing all the bugs that get reported? I actually do think a bug tracker will be useful; I just think the problems of Emacs development lie in other places rather than the tools it uses. I don't care about the version control system. For me, the problems can be summed up in the fact that the number of people willing to write emails (and yes, that includes this one) about what should be done vastly outweighs the number of people willing to actually do anything. I was trying not to comment on this pointless thread, but I've failed.