From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Schwab Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 127ab231be 1/2: Attempt to clarify Input Focus documentation Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:25:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <166368675497.15121.15081377110947098460@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220920151239.61451C00871@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87czbpihyl.fsf@yahoo.com> <2d1b683c2245a1b1035c@heytings.org> <87v8phgfv0.fsf@yahoo.com> <2d1b683c22ba04ac1445@heytings.org> <83h711ueqo.fsf@gnu.org> <2d1b683c220e3aaa4d07@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4988"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 21 17:27:54 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ob1di-00014R-NK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:27:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56808 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ob1dh-0000qJ-DX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46718) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ob1bO-0006sh-TA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:25:32 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out2.suse.de ([195.135.220.29]:53384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ob1bH-0001r8-6V; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from relay2.suse.de (relay2.suse.de [149.44.160.134]) by smtp-out2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACEC1F898; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:25:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_rsa; t=1663773920; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=hVwunu8dvJV5VFcjMRG7UUHqjI6DxsKIfKy+xFku9Nk=; b=DDE5E6+GhAPpIsB+skZofcf5hsVXU6N4g/RW3z+t4fyYZUtEfXyBLh1X4QnAGnwaYFyGl0 LQWaXPKuHshN3fNqf8QDtObL+gZVVKdsMLbgRFVxpzVqn5jh9UAn0bsaq8Hncl+ymrYv1T DqKsta8BP90GL9PjbJBP20qT00CYyhs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_ed25519; t=1663773920; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=hVwunu8dvJV5VFcjMRG7UUHqjI6DxsKIfKy+xFku9Nk=; b=KEvTtr9FIbhcn4pHQb3/ytHHUtexcWoWQ9lNlk5lYmNYYF9HRv1wjscCaDoB4kE5FtFdDU myfItqjkza4CL7Bw== Original-Received: from hawking.suse.de (unknown [10.168.4.11]) by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425AB2C141; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by hawking.suse.de (Postfix, from userid 17005) id BC79A44021C; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:25:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Yow: I'm having a tax-deductible experience! I need an energy crunch!! In-Reply-To: <2d1b683c220e3aaa4d07@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:19:06 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.135.220.29; envelope-from=schwab@suse.de; helo=smtp-out2.suse.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295924 Archived-At: On Sep 21 2022, Gregory Heytings wrote: > The focus-follows-mouse policy is indeed superior for advanced users, but > I think it must be admitted that it isn't appropriate for regular > users. It breaks the "desk" mental model, with which you always act on the > topmost element, which is the one that is fully visible. With the > focus-follows-mouse policy you can act on any element that is partly > visible, but that means that you can e.g. type on the keyboard without > seeing any visible effect on the screen. Though this is the raise-on-focus option, which is independent from focus-follows-mouse vs. click-to-focus. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different."