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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:25818 gmane.emacs.devel:79574 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > This is a one-off suggestion to emacs-devel, and y'all can do what you > want to with it. Reply-To set to xemacs-beta where I plan to follow up= . > > Stefan Monnier writes: > > > > Two frames always imply a fight: the window manager will try to fi= nd > > > places for them and decide on how to focus them. Getting a separa= te > > > window tamed is the matter of C-x 0 or C-x 1. In contrast, C-x 5 = 0 or > > > C-x 5 1 will leave one with a window configuration that might be w= orse > > > than if just one frame would have been placed. > > The important implication of this is that window manager or init file > settings might leave the splash screen obscured. That's not what > Richard wants. David's particular configuration is not a big deal > (except to him), given the goal of this decision, but the complexity > of getting the splash screen on top is. AFAICR, we talked about this several years ago, and I think my opinion was already that a so-called splash screen should be an override-redirect window (not managed by the window manager), centered on the screen[1], that stays for a while (see below), or until there's a mouse click on it. But note that it's different from a user calling display-splash-frame which should probably stay as it is. I really don't think most users make an actual use of the splash screen at startup (but prove me wrong).=20 However, when someone calls d-s-f, it's probably to do something with it (click the about buttons and stuff). So the splash screen need not be interactive IMO. Footnotes:=20 [1] that would also have the advantage of giving time to setup all the faces and stuff *before* the first frame is actually displayed, and only then, popup something ready to use. --=20 New @-quartet featured CD Review !! http://www.indie-music.com/modules.php?name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D6= 457 Didier Verna, didier@lrde.epita.fr, http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier EPITA / LRDE, 14-16 rue Voltaire Tel.+33 (1) 44 08 01 85 94276 Le Kremlin-Bic=EAtre, France Fax.+33 (1) 53 14 59 22 didier@xem= acs.org