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X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , ding@gnus.org, yamaoka@jpl.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:39:46 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) SXEmacs/22.1.15 (Goggomobil, linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 on 10.1.1.10 X-BeenThere: sxemacs-devel@lists.sxemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: SXEmacs developers' list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sxemacs-devel-bounces@lists.sxemacs.org Original-Sender: "SXEmacs-Devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.sxemacs.devel:3614 gmane.emacs.devel:197571 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:86526 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:39526 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > After the discussion here, I think I've decided to move Gnus development > to Emacs and Emacsify the code for greater readability. Are you going to keep git.gnus.org live for a period of time after the move so us slow-coaches can grab the last of the (S)XEmacs capable Gnus? Also, it'd be very much appreciated if you could let me know when the last commit goes in at git.gnus.org. > If {S,}XEmacs wants to keep tracking Gnus development, this > unfortunately means that the onus is on the {S,}XEmacs maintainers to > add an ever-growing number of Emacs compat functions, and expand > function call lists to keep up with Emacs function call lists. > (As well as adding seq/map/cllib/etc.) Yep, working on it. :) > The major stumbling block is, of course, lexical binding, but we'll see > how much of that creeps into Gnus after a while. Gnus is quite async in > some respects, and having proper closures makes that a lot more > readable, but on the other hand, Gnus (ab)uses dynamic scope > extensively, so... Gnus is far from unique in that (ab)use, even my own code does it a lot more than I'd care to admit to. But yeah, lexical scope is well and truly on the SXEmacs radar. Might have to bump it up a few notches on the todo list. :-) > I wrote up the decision here, with added images: > http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/01/01/its-about-ethics-in-gnus-develop= ment/ It must be true, there's cats and memes involved. =2D-=20 |---------------------| | SXEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |---------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: The SXEmacs Project Comment: EMchat - The SXEmacs IM client Comment: SYcom Comment: the Reading Lamp iEYEARECAAYFAlaJ61cACgkQHSfbS6lLMAOhlQCeKiFlkZp6RWBBLbcBf/gEXsds yOEAn0pUjyiOvCNNvVo7rY/HkRIDvxpF =cGty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--