From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Allen S. Rout" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:29:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418841051 13220 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2014 18:30:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:30:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 19:30:43 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1JMx-0008AV-0q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:30:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51001 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1JMw-000722-1N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:30:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46315) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1JMk-00070v-8M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1JMb-0001n4-Gi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:30:30 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:41398) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1JMb-0001mx-9N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:30:21 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1JMZ-000838-Kz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:30:19 +0100 Original-Received: from host-128-227-107-245.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.107.245]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:30:19 +0100 Original-Received: from asr by host-128-227-107-245.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:30:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-128-227-107-245.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180242 Archived-At: On 12/17/2014 12:54 PM, Sven Axelsson wrote: > I have watched several of the recent threads [...] So, why? > >From the peanut gallery, I think the 'why' is expressed better in terms of personal politics than anything technical. The Git transition, I think, has made Eric feel a great sense of ownership. He's trying to polish stuff up that he sees as dingy. I don't think he's crazy. I do think his actions look selfish and self-aggrandizing. Presenting a doc format change as a fait accomplis, "I already talked to daddy, so here's what we're going to do..." is ... Well, It's sufficiently obviously bad politics, so obviously counter to FOSS decisionmaking patterns (which Eric can articulate with the best of them), that I really wonder if it was _designed_ to create the teapot tempest which has evolved. As a strategy to exhaust thought leaders, a bikeshed storm works pretty well. 414 messages at the moment in my buffer on this thread. I'm just glad Stefan isn't bleeding much mental effort into the issue. FWIW, IMO: Keep info. There's nothing that's obviously better, and arguing about it is a big waste of time. - Allen S. Rout