From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Network security manager Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:37:08 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sihg7r73.fsf@alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk> <87a93oilxl.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oas4h555.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a93oh180.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83h9xw9zg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83d28k9yb9.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbmc8c9e.fsf@gnu.org> <87egt0f5m9.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416386270 10992 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2014 08:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:37:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 19 09:37:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr0ll-0006hO-1v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:37:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56989 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr0lk-0006mf-Mx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:37:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr0ld-0006mN-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:37:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr0lX-0004ib-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:37:37 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr0lX-0004iT-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:37:31 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr0lB-0005mu-20 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:37:09 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUjBhX59vD8/PwJAQmC UFHUvav36dJoJcG2AAACPUlEQVQ4jV2UsZLjIBBE5w588aK6VS7VSjFV2DllDY5tL5DLJfj/T7hG QrZvyczTTPc0BlJNj6WEMSSu1hhzKr/7jjYwYMdZD2x08w6+sCHdUirMfS15Ack35QngvIF1v/8w xjql2tLs1zv4NpqianP63tUrmCAxF3Dd1TcwQuKgsBLvItRXt8wuZ8+8T7IBmLLMl0U6B3V9fwEh OMa4BB/MTyBhNquc/gfDZKCds1KLkUI2L7tWYLycVHs1+hjnFwjWzQBznszxpvLjCT4tR4CchIn4 Ij6qRj9IGefE+WqOGSvddzAyxRCit+aYUgh+d9V3EFnYOmtOOQfPVaPr+9RyZkbqFzSyVIGCekyX NsJszHOy4r6DToXMMYhNW5gdlDjmq0Ycf4qnFRTpXPbbNab4BKt4nksHHOsxFTBV0JVcEdWCTglR YsxakVNsIBMtxYSW0e+g95cGZaH0AwhenCv44gKWorwOPv2uoLMP1bZFOEcAaU977MO8ztLCEjK0 RHdqxjyjBT5PnyEmZBz4SkJSM+Dg5tSGkJML6yImcaytumI/SZSG4AQjswrGtgBdSrwT9AJ5KcBo dp7kpMmcSK2dsofPpdweC2DIHDYwBEzHiJckEZWb6LZW6db6IHBO+gfwj8TeOFwfqmBrNboRbsyh ArNWrOA2hE/8pSaIbBU6AKh+bP5eKtAbOAA0RcWfcfk1xMvLAeDCZhfqflnfC2lLMwo7cH1Yiqhm iyX5CZpe2dXNtvQT9Nsz8gb+ATyq4jQ3pEOOAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Lori Carson's _Everything I Touch Runs Wild (1)_: "Something's Got Me" X-Hashcash: 1:23:141119:emacs-devel@gnu.org::pX3UX/wj5ldghkBT:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000DAvw In-Reply-To: <87egt0f5m9.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:31:26 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1Xr0lB-0005mu-20 MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1416991029.38886@IzztF9QGNTRtcby/T4AQYg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177719 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:02:58 +0100 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > wrote: > > LMI> So the user interface problem remains. We don't want to suddenly start > LMI> asking people stuff while they're doing other stuff, but here we kinda > LMI> need to ask them stuff... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infobar is the UI element most web > browsers use today. We don't have it in Emacs AFAIK. > > http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#indicators and > http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#Robustness are the W3C recommendations on > this topic. To summarize (but please please please read the document, > it's quite good): > > * show identity signal in a consistent visual position where web content > can't obscure it Sure, eww should display TLS markers and stuff, but that's kinda orthogonal to the issue I was discussing, which is how (and whether) to query the user when running in an asynchronous context. >"? > As I said, there is much more in the document. Of course, Emacs is not > just a web browser, so we must adapt rather than blindly adopt these > guidelines, but I hope we don't ignore them. Should I make a list of > concrete recommendations for EWW and Emacs in general based on that > document? Yeah, that would be nice. File it as an enhancement bug report so that we don't forget. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no