From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending bug reports without setting up email Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:45:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87twi7jq6z.fsf@gnus.org> <87r3dbhz5x.fsf@gnus.org> <6a51f3f7-b6e5-94e8-3b6d-0dd2efe345ed@cs.ucla.edu> <375d7040-05cb-377c-5df9-d345087291ee@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469097993 20295 80.91.229.3 (21 Jul 2016 10:46:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 21 12:46:23 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bQBUj-0002Tf-3O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:46:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39751 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQBUi-0007w4-4Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:46:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQBUa-0007uh-3e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:46:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQBUV-0005x5-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:46:12 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:42257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQBUV-0005ws-3F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bQBUQ-0000RH-BM; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:46:06 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEXBu4i8rosQCAbHz5V/ eVkhHg1VppOkAAACcElEQVQ4jV2UTXOcMAyG5TG9W7G5t0y52xW526y4Zwn+/3+lr8wm06nYYUCP 9S2WRDYRZkkP3ITr1GhywR0kpTFU8SjQy9y8EJHqDxLRWERKarjjFDx8gRJLZF+CFENyW0w0nsv4 vSRTpukGhTNHuIli9wdeyABeNslNfPGw81LzFgyU+0IGOUrGsZonMhAtpQBXoiEF8dpSqwCWfdES ctGuVXw+KlGtsPBZWHH+6JCHD5MiXQMIJy7K3Idw4aYmNCqAwa3vHw6AU4NFGqW9DPqFoM7JqAPh Q+lfUtkntTriKCL15QUaE/QGCqMX87fFk4ZMVLZPDu7s/VyWFeBTwgugCJ6GHoLoaK9YcEwilnl9 AZABMK1oye6933p4a9H6VigHyfPyDfBUSQ34IvwvWFGjZio2j7gvI8TVj9MyU7W2J5ZyDnC9dXo7 LeX1uuexLQZWm2tK8GpGF/kb9OUnsvPvE87A5hhgtpD7h4E/6e7ZlTFB7gbeP7BQAovVfKGVrh0G rvdfALTpbaGMynerobeHgWOAtT8dQF+tsZ8IMfG+o2sAWIio5wDo6nYlVfT5XC/zCu3whVH21vxx V040r8tpYH0KHctv7GO9Z5gWgNHCq07771hcsSw8xVHeOfqqenVNglFnoZJGR+9R2JZMQYLDcHM6 XiaXklpk8gNwggmirJpw8b23WENqHNIxXOjF0WXL1aO1xCGWtPeWcJgcMacAYMKO+biKegmBQsS+ ZVhkI8LHs1T7S3BWAG1N7IvGIkK0OrYPHxs9pclTo5aqa4UJi1GDT6RRsQl4Dc5AwJNS9SmnoJPW VMlZ4hL0P9n/Aj6UxoQNpK6NAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:37:26 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205940 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Of course, nowadays this is becoming a losing proposition: MTAs only > accept email from the sender's official MTA. So you (the sender) first > need to send your email (via TLS) to your MTA, and *it* will then send > it (maybe in the clear maybe not) to the recipient's MTA. No, MTAs accept messages for their own recipients, of course. A few block incoming connections from non-MTA hosts, but that's pretty rare. But quite a few ISPs block port 25 (and some block the SMTP submission port, too) for outgoing traffic. In that case you have to talk to your local MTA. I don't have any numbers, but when travelling the past few years I've never had any trouble talking to the SMTP submission port on the MTA I use in Norway, so blocking is pretty rare from hotel wifis and the like, at least. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no