From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:50:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wpke3kdj.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83h9biyek4.fsf@gnu.org> <877fce3flr.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469134306 32715 80.91.229.3 (21 Jul 2016 20:51:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 21 22:51:30 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKwJ-0001HL-5U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:51:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43669 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKwI-0007Ef-C0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:51:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKvQ-0007D8-Eh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:50:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKvP-0008QM-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:50:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mx2.bahnhof.se ([213.80.101.12]:5449) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKvL-0008N6-4i; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:50:27 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (mf.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.20]) by mx2-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCFC40D76; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:50:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MF1) Original-Received: from mf1.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf1.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7wvWY1BG-fbg; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:50:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mta.verona.se (h-235-62.a149.priv.bahnhof.se [85.24.235.62]) by mf1.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B930330ADB; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:50:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0384F68EE; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:50:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at verona.se Original-Received: from mta.verona.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (exodia.verona.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tM1wxcJkeYH5; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:50:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from exodia.verona.se (www.verona.se [192.168.200.15]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8746F4F68F2; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:50:05 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <877fce3flr.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:23:28 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 213.80.101.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205993 Archived-At: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) >>> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:40:24 +0100 >>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >>> >>> There needs to be the willingness to adopt it, if we choose something, >>> though. >> >> Expect it to be adopted if it makes our jobs simpler, like faster, or >> saves us from doing some of the stuff at all. Otherwise, you will >> have difficulty convincing at least me to move. > > *shrugs* > > As with everything, it will makes things somewhat slower during > adoption. And I can only give you anecdotal evidence that it will make > things better after adoption. > > >> Also, I think the solution should support text-mode browsers, such as >> Lynx or Emacs's eww on TTY frames. IOW, anything that requires GUI >> and won't work otherwise is probably out of question to begin with. >> (This requirement is not for me personally.) > > If that is a hard requirement, then I think we are not going to get much > further with a web 2.0 program. The best option is going to be somewhere > to host clones for developers, and then use debbugs. Gitlab has a cli-interface, so you can do things with it from a shell. (FWIW I'm not doing any advocating here, I'm just helping to provide info.) I have set up gitlab instances for clients, and its not hard to do using docker-compose. I don't find the gitlab bug tracker spectacular, but it's not designed to be either, AFAICT. > But, it really is a hard requirement. > > Phil > -- Joakim Verona