From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: backup method Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20050127000210.GA6167@boetes.org> <01c5042e$Blat.v2.4$728a4c40@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1106815734 7309 80.91.229.6 (27 Jan 2005 08:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Han Boetes , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 27 09:48:48 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cu5KZ-0001Xp-00 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:48:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu5Wv-0008Hk-IA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:01:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu5U0-0007Rp-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:58:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu5Ty-0007QS-BI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:58:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu5Tx-0007MH-FN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:58:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cu59J-0007F5-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:37:10 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 51314 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 08:30:27 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 08:30:27 -0000 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <01c5042e$Blat.v2.4$728a4c40@zahav.net.il> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:08:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32581 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32581 "Eli Zaretskii" writes: >> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:01:48 +0059 >> From: Han Boetes >> >> The default backup method is mv and then create a new file. That's >> nice if you really want to keep the timestamp intact. But if you >> use emacs with crontab -e you remove the tmpfile and since the >> filedescriptor is still open your update to your cron is lost -- >> without warning. It was pretty hard to discover why this happened. >> >> So I would like to suggest to make backup by copying the default. > > So you had a very specific problem, and you are suggesting to change > the defaults of _all_ users just because of that one problem? > > I agree with Miles: the default backup method is a very natural thing > to do. I don't think your special case is a reason good enough to > change the default. At best, it's a reason for you to customize your > Emacs. I agree! I don't normally use auto-revert mode, but perhaps the default could change if you enable auto-revert mode? -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk