From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86lk19mmua.fsf@lifelogs.com> <485298A4.30000@gnu.org> <867ict8awn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87zlouswvk.fsf@jurta.org> <86skulfo7j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fxql8j7y.fsf@jurta.org> <868wwccirg.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215546685 32710 80.91.229.12 (8 Jul 2008 19:51:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ted Zlatanov To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 08 21:52:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KGJEG-0003m8-Il for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:52:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32853 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGJDO-0007rw-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGJDJ-0007rd-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:51:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGJDI-0007rJ-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:51:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36460 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGJDI-0007rG-Et for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eagle.jhcloos.com ([207.210.242.212]:2564) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGJDH-0006vE-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: by eagle.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 5C4B7401FB; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:50:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=eagle; t=1215546657; bh=ri/2IiUaQVyixt/1EfZf4GXEBsbvnzfnoMt9f8xNs L4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u2VlqI+eHoB b5Ty/afln0DchYhWofFCmB0boVnj7kYEg0Uhs4RNkbzBV9R5WUzw1IdJJei/8bUyAYC ks7Uh0+LDuoO+IoMhQUln1D50sz1RaW8+MYy4srp8ZDkQwYl6Oi1jBAtl4OVv7qOUVx co8MvcdDEX6c3scv8zr+npIa4w= Original-Received: by lugabout.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E6408210654; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:50:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <868wwccirg.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:50:43 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAI1J REFUOE+lU9ESgCAIg64P1y+ngUdxhl5H8wFbbM0OmUiEhKkCYaZThXCo6KE5sCbA1DDX3genvO4d eBQgEMaM5qy6uWk4SfBYfdu9jvBN9nSVDOKRtwb+I3epboOsOX5pZbJNsBJFvmQQ05YMfieIBnYX FK2N6dOawd97r/e8RjkTLzmMsiVgrAoEugtviCM3v2WzjgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Copyright: Copyright 2008 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 51 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100463 Archived-At: >>>>> "Ted" =3D=3D Ted Zlatanov writes: Ted> I didn't know about the ELLIPSIS issue, thanks. It was news to me, too. Ted> My proposed shortcut would not get in the way of normal typing. =20 Cool. Ted> Do I understand correctly, though, that people should just type Ted> ... (with or without NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE in between) instead of Ted> using the =E2=80=A6 character? Essentially. Most who use a space, though, tend to use an ASCII SPACE rather than any type of a nonbreaking space. (I've worked with publishers who insisted on ". . ." or " . . .".) And some might prefer to use U+A0. But I expect a narrower space looks better, and you /really= / want to avoid linebreaks inside an ellipses. :) Ted> Is there value in providing that sequence with the /.. quail key Ted> sequence instead of =E2=80=A6 in Emacs, or is that unnecessary? Hmmm. I doubt anyone would use it over ... or . . ., but I suppose it would be useful for those who do want to ensure non-breaking spaces. And .=E2=80=AF.=E2=80=AF. does look better than .=C2=A0.=C2=A0. in DejaVu= Serif (by way of variable- pitch-mode)=E2=80=94and not only because '=C2=A0' looks different than ' = ' since it (unlike U+202F) is displayed in the nobreak-space face. So, I=E2=80=99d say yes. I=E2=80=99m thinking of adding: <1> : "=E2=80=A4" U2024 # ONE DOT LEADER <2> : "=E2=80=A5" U2025 # TWO DOT LEADER <3> : "=E2=80=A6" ellipsis # HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS to the UTF-8 Compose.pre files. The X11 compose framework converts the compose sequence to a string (rather than a character), so I could also have insert ".=E2=80=AF.=E2=80=AF." rather = than "=E2=80=A6", so I could make it match the proposed change to Emacs. I'll have to give that some thought. (As another aside; I just remembered that at least some typographers maintain that the leader glyphs should not be the same as the period (or full stop) glyphs, but should be a bit lighter/smaller. Probably a related issue.) -JimC --=20 James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6