From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Package Management Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <485b0c380808011427n4d3144eey3f8daf3abac83bf4@mail.gmail.com> <87d45vzt4j.fsf@hagelb.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252919316 18050 80.91.229.12 (14 Sep 2009 09:08:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tromey@redhat.com, Phil Hagelberg , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 14 11:08:28 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mn7Xm-0002vU-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:08:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58493 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mn7Xl-0007aq-Sj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mn7XS-0007RI-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:07:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mn7XN-0007PH-DA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:07:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35496 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mn7XN-0007PA-2k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from iwfs.imcode.com ([82.115.149.64]:36103 helo=gate.verona.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mn7XE-00052p-I3; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 05:07:45 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:1005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gate.verona.se (8.13.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id n8E97ehc021444; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:40:39 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115295 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > The rule against using CL functions at run time is for the sake of the > user. The CL functions are not a standard part of the Emacs Lisp > namespace. Thus, loading CL can conflict with the user's function > definitions. Could we then privide aliases like "cl-loop" for "loop" ? > Instead of this policy, we could declare those functions standard, but > I think some of them are not well designed and not good to include. > Also, to do it right we would need to document these functions in the > Emacs Lisp manual, which is a big job. Maybe we could include Cl functions in the Emacs core incrementaly then? Each CL function moved to the core would require an agreement on the functions inclusion and a documentation patch. -- Joakim Verona