From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:08:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318284584 1664 80.91.229.12 (10 Oct 2011 22:09:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , miles@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: ding-owner+M28561@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Oct 11 00:09:33 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDO2P-0004IO-1l for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:09:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDO2H-0006yx-DR; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDO2G-0006yf-3V for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:09:24 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RDO2E-0002a3-Mi for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:09:24 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RDO2C-0000wD-N3 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:09:20 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RDO27-0003Nw-1u; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:09:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:55 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEWdkYaxpJOXiX7YyVCK enCaOjCqnZCkl4r794glAAACLklEQVQ4jV2US47bMAyGiWBarR2g6tZQ3AMESvaFw5zAFrodD6bU Vg0K6fr9KTlOUiJPfnyJJkXMrieiHZEpEFPI7ZzjK/HoqICQMSXnmJOBlWMmdYCl6ssiEP0DQnCg kt+hFuk6K53EmMgNK4hZsnRL1wFYSbQDQGq1VvsmIrEQgJZjYCbLgxTzRoiUkpHFbh7VpwJKJPIM FguAFHjl21chh9IasfGmHq43EqZvIYRpegCYO2c+g4c++Om4ZvkAQGvoxg14v4KkYGTKfNFID/AO gI658OvLCmosW8HAfF1T+PP/YPLN4XTx91CkALoTM5+n06WVVVIFV5jP7JkvPm9V3cHE/pNHfz9H qaAmPv3Zc/DH78MTQJKgtvBEZ45PyTW7r8CH2pUYV4C0APPI/q3WJQBJzzFfEGof3HDYj8c1h4IQ 2J8ny+PBv5QLMB/OvtOI7XlsQFXtMAhkrQLTkqMf4fwAmDmT3qDtXW0kEnkFHQCVHfOYlwHBuLUd M1Z0CncD/5QfM2th7UGJOuSS3NBjSn7Ph3Z+OFQQU9+mZEYPW6SM7SGTMfRG2P9FDW18VqANNoJe ABwu9XS6IAAJNS/bqONwURooJZnFdt2ybUdJWByjRWeBYR13u2wg6zrqRtnqsOh66g6SiVjuCuCj 30n3edClMLqEsULNcAd6L8CrlFxxqvoK+l7vhoS3qQMItasXAKTXP7QKfg6DXhnA7kUGLAbAJmP9 WJ/nM3iVf6309N8mIJbLAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Plaid's _Scintilli_: "35 Summers" X-MailScanner-ID: 1RDO27-0003Nw-1u MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1318889355.21202@OMmJO+TGgySpRZDYn0Ac8g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80271 gmane.emacs.devel:144831 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Popping up a different mailer is not a problem: it's what mailclient is > supposed to do. The problem is that it comes into play much too late: > mailclient should not be an MTA function but a MUA function. I sort of agree. But then you're asking people to even edit their emails outside of Emacs, and that's not very nice. :-) But if that's what somebody wants, then I think that's what we should do, as you say. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/