From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile Date: 03 Aug 2002 18:41:12 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200207200035.g6K0ZAb27891@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207212015.g6LKF4c00874@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207251807.g6PI75d07615@aztec.santafe.edu> <874renlito.fsf@zagadka.ping.de> <200207271853.g6RIre710837@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207310554.g6V5ssc16508@aztec.santafe.edu> <200208022214.g72MELZ01879@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028414373 10253 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2002 22:39:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17b7Ya-0002fG-00 for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:39:32 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17b7sS-0003Ro-00 for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 01:00:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17b7Z7-0003sp-00; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:40:05 -0400 Original-Received: from pool-151-203-30-217.bos.east.verizon.net ([151.203.30.217] helo=loiso.podval.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17b7Ym-0003kx-00; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:39:45 -0400 Original-Received: from loiso.podval.org (loiso [127.0.0.1]) by loiso.podval.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g73MfDi30024; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:41:13 -0400 Original-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6267 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6267 > * In message > * On the subject of "Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile" > * Sent on Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:40:27 +0200 > * Honorable Simon Josefsson writes: > > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: >=20 > > Simon Josefsson writes: > > > >> Can CLISP take advantage of the non-ASCII work that has gone into > >> GNOME? This seems to be one major work item for a Guile port. > >> Leveraging on the GNOME work seem to give many modern features easily > >> (Unicode, bidi). > > > > I thought the idea was to embed a Lisp in Emacs to replace Emacs > > Lisp. So all the coding system stuff can be taken from Mule. > > > > And then, if desired, more and more of the C stuff can be moved to > > the new Lisp, if the new Lisp can do that. >=20 > Yes, you are right, altough I think it would be nice if Emacs could > take advantage of the work that went into libc for low-level non-ASCII > manipulation, and into GNOME (GTK) for high-level non-ASCII display > (e.g., bidirectional text), instead of re-implementing it all just for > Emacs. It doesn't seem very re-usable. Ideally all non-ASCII stuff > should go into the lisp (CLISP or Guile) used, so other applications > than Emacs can take advantage of it. All IMHO, of course. CLISP i18n/Unicode functionality is head & shoulders above that of any other software I have seen. It was done by an expert in the field - Bruno Haible. See and . --=20 Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running RedHat7.3 GNU/Linux I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up!