From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs -Q not documented Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:16:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20050329.162832.71106586.wl@gnu.org> <20050402.084718.31638992.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112703611 22777 80.91.229.2 (5 Apr 2005 12:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 05 14:20:05 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIn1L-0007AG-Qt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:19:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DImaF-0005RW-0q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DImYE-0002UH-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:48:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DImY3-0002Mz-FF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:48:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DImTR-0008UT-D2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:44:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DImTE-0007DU-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:43:48 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 29259 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 11:16:55 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 11:16:55 -0000 Original-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:40:02 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35582 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35582 Miles Bader writes: > On Apr 5, 2005 7:27 PM, Miles Bader wrote: >> emacs -Q -N >> >> where -Q means "no init files or site-init files" >> and -N means turn off all frame features > > I should add that doing so is more flexible for debugging too -- for > instance, for reporting a bug with menus, you don't want frame > features turned off, but you _do_ want to disable site-init files. -N also disables the splash screen, blinking cursor, and potentially other stuff that is not closely related to "frame features". What long name will you use for -N? So the next thing somebody will tell us is that -N consists of unrelated settings, and suggest to split it into -N and -M and ? > This scenario (where you want to disable all customization, but not > change emacs' "default state") is probably the most common, so it > makes sense to give -Q that common and clear meaning, IMO, emacs -Q (in its current form) should be the reference for reproducing errors -- if possible with even more features/settings turned off (e.g. ignore .Xdefaults, Windows registry settings, etc). -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk