From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/refcard.tex update. Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ekacqlok.fsf@xs4all.nl> <87d5pv4khg.fsf@jurta.org> <87u0j3qzq7.fsf@jurta.org> <87zmsufdx7.fsf@jurta.org> <87wtnwpud9.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121167904 29952 80.91.229.2 (12 Jul 2005 11:31:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lute.kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 13:31:35 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DsIyp-0005pM-DP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:31:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DsIw8-0006od-SY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:28:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DsIvm-0006kv-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DsIva-0006dt-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DsIvZ-0006cE-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.235] (helo=pfepa.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DsIvA-0003gl-Pk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:29 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.124]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 27BD447FE2C; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:19:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <87wtnwpud9.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:38:38 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40825 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40825 Juri Linkov writes: >> C-x @ C M % > > This is a shorter key sequence for typing a key with the help of `C-x @' > than using `C-x @' twice which is mentioned in the manual as a currently > impossible way to add two modifiers. Also with upper-case letters it > looks like the standard syntax for `C-M-%' without hyphens. > > But there is a conflict between Shift and Super, which use the > same character modifier with different case. Yes, it makes the following sequence ambiguous: C-x @ M S C % But how do I enter M-C-S ? Not like this: C-x @ M C S Maybe this would work: C-x @ m @ c @ S % => M-C-S-% C-x @ m @ c @ S s => M-C-S C-x @ m @ c @ S @ @ => M-C-S-@ A little more cryptic would be to let a control char mean to add modifier and read one more modifier: C-x @ C-m C-c S % => M-C-S-% Or we could add an explicit group operator: C-x @ ( m c S ) % or to make it easier to type: C-x @ @ m c S @ % or (if we apply modifiers to a non-letter key): C-x @ @ m c S % => M-C-S-% C-x @ @ m c S @ s => M-C-S C-x @ @ m c S @ @ => M-C-S-@ -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk