From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276277048 1483 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2010 17:24:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 11 19:24:06 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON7xZ-0002fM-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:24:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40036 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ON7xY-0006TX-Jy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:24:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60817 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ON7xS-0006Rt-Gb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON7xQ-0003s2-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:23:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eagle.jhcloos.com ([207.210.242.212]:57997) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON7xM-0003r9-KY; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:23:48 -0400 Original-Received: by eagle.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 37D60400C5; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=eagle; t=1276277027; bh=t4XEcgBKRhQGdcOyS9aghSSooV8ejykjv1d8OybnDq4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TCmjzj4cfE7AJlFYWad5NCCXTF3MjKbCTkqs0e/c+PMUncqoCvNQCynLsPKXWy6M+ TCICK2S0pZGJteCPyc4Ssw1elIyRibta6B9YVWZWbX3Be9N8h9Lt+H25Bw79fydFpC Lm6IoSS07pbUNaLQj+yrC3uGDJu4bYUDy/NsgDoE= Original-Received: from carbon.jhcloos.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3B51C4AFA; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:12:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:12:39 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAI1J REFUOE+lU9ESgCAIg64P1y+ngUdxhl5H8wFbbM0OmUiEhKkCYaZThXCo6KE5sCbA1DDX3genvO4d eBQgEMaM5qy6uWk4SfBYfdu9jvBN9nSVDOKRtwb+I3epboOsOX5pZbJNsBJFvmQQ05YMfieIBnYX FK2N6dOawd97r/e8RjkTLzmMsiVgrAoEugtviCM3v2WzjgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Copyright: Copyright 2009 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 17 X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:cyd@stupidchicken.com::foE2Dky5BaiHMsqj:000000000000000000000000000000000000000jE8e3 X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:eliz@gnu.org::PV52Jo0f40VBNrMR:0000HMsDw X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:dak@gnu.org::trVy9EnTDP9MWF9W:000008hJbf X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:emacs-devel@gnu.org::jMTli2kuikv58eUV:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000MPTs X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125754 Archived-At: Oh, and my personal preference, as a l2r reader who occasionally deals with r2l text, is for both C-f/C-b and LEFT/RIGHT to *always* move in logical order. The feedback that provides is useful and welcome. The /only/ possible major modes where visual movement might be preferable to logical would be picture-mode or modes with a similar raison d'etre. I can well imagine that those who deal with r2l more regularly may prefer a different config, suggesting that perhaps it should be configurable. And perhaps the default should be locale-specific? -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6