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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: e and pi
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:01:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3tylnf64z.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwv39t7ayuv.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org

Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:

> Indeed, there are a few places where Elisp code binds dynamic variables
> not with a let but with a function argument.  I find this revolting, and
> would welcome a byte-compiler warning to "flog the author with a wet
> noodle".

I think Gnus does this a few places.  Feel free to add a noodly compiler
warning, and I'll fix it up.

I think the plan to make bindings be lexical is great, but I'm not sure
what all the discussion about e, argv and pi is.  :-)

This is my understanding: You want bindings to behave like in Common
Lisp, and have all special variables (i.e., things that have been
defined with defvar) to have dynamic scope (like today), and have all
the rest have lexical bindings.  And the problem is that some variables
(well, constants) like `e' and `pi' are likely to be used by people in
bindings, so they'll get dynamic bindings where they don't expect it.
Is that a fair summary?

In that case, just go ahead and rename the variables.

(Although I don't really see how not using function arguments as dynamic
bindings really help much, but I agree that it's confusing.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen




  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-18 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-16 13:25 e and pi Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 13:44 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-16 15:37   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 13:47 ` Leo
2010-09-16 15:39   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 14:27 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-16 15:44   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 18:52     ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-16 14:44 ` Jason Rumney
2010-09-16 22:54 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-17  0:04   ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-17  0:14   ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17  7:00   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17  8:09   ` Simon Leinen
2010-09-17  8:15     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17  9:06       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-17  9:21         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17  9:47   ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 15:11   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 15:22     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-17 15:56       ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 22:13         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 15:44     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 15:50     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-17 16:06       ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 16:18       ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 16:45         ` Glenn Morris
2010-09-17 17:14           ` Glenn Morris
2010-09-18 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 10:21           ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-18 11:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 11:26               ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-18 10:50           ` David Kastrup
2010-09-18 11:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 14:27               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-18 14:32               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-09-18 15:11           ` Drew Adams
2010-09-17 22:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18  1:10         ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18  8:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 19:10             ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18 21:37               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-09-19  0:57                 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 13:43           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-18 14:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 15:01               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2010-09-18 16:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-19 10:07               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-17 16:14     ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 15:12       ` tomas
2010-09-18 17:52         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 19:13           ` tomas
2010-09-17 23:35     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-09-17 16:55 ` Sam Steingold
2010-09-17 22:16   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 22:55     ` Drew Adams
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-17  4:20 MON KEY
2010-09-18  5:58 MON KEY
2010-09-18 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-19  2:03   ` MON KEY
2010-09-18 16:07 ` David De La Harpe Golden

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