From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inhibiting read-only Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:09:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <838v24pyhl.fsf@gnu.org> <8338scpvcn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1371748203 9010 80.91.229.3 (20 Jun 2013 17:10:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, cloos@jhcloos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 20 19:10:03 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UpiN0-0001O6-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:10:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54300 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UpiN0-00006s-52 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48699) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UpiMt-0008Ks-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:09:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UpiMq-0006sm-Gx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:09:54 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:49508) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UpiMq-0006sZ-Ar; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:09:52 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UpiMd-0002X2-F3; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:09:39 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUvGxdMMivz39WRd2Sz kX5xVUUeiYyLAAACUUlEQVQ4jU2TXY7rIAyFjaq8gzJsIGXemxIWUHDex0O8/63c49B0ritFqT+O fwlp71lLzrnn65HzljNp115U8a/ky7a8NYKv8da2Nlwt20sz0GtKNdW7ueseJZ4HGIpal7okA8ud uZXWoWLae79C18WM2ZIwFd0qc01t25ZhiRGJKZbKKS1Ly8tl0BjowFxrqx+Q4GAK7/IRiP8kAOvI vVWUdFzAcqwHN1SBQK9YLlAA/PMKUI4DQeztjlKJjk9OqPZ+AtVO1Jf/7DUPIJ2mN0ArUNz3OsBM dDvD7lq/Lejd+vw2BU0YwJZlAvgdSpwKB5ELQUKgG5K/C0x6gi7BA3/9VYAUgYmi7VXCIZ+6d5Vo oJfci2Rxv1enGmYMEQLMUfO2z2+AFF9MtkAAyYX3+sm9DQAL2MlyAk4RkZjGNuQKgy21GA6Ac08l xGuB2FGIfCkKyv2AZIIP8G5cktRq02WAghbRvMN24Sg1PXFlEoCqitpUNHMu+rS7FHfSgs9AhWDO hdj3+LT1R+scFug01LN7TGbVTCFYigEC6tndE73LRhJjeQNE2vg187LGEGmOUIg/BdqZBR9BsJPh NANOcY1bxJfnNQqOSSB3/lAuv1CM2FFTWLGOokeGJiNCieTtMhgIdAJPdjc0nmW68dSyFZuaSfR0 j74lyPxYu7klZKty+iG0Pon3kwCYQkwxeZQAWfBhUl0B/IQGyU3kPLI8XCHSqD7YlCy59zd/ezhR Ftw+lOTPPpz78TMdP/MDTh+xMudtamOqEsXmE1e18WAvof8DlZPBWGw81r8AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: David Bowie's _Hunky Dory_: "Fill Your Heart" X-Hashcash: 1:23:130620:cloos@jhcloos.com::uydPtiGkYXteJ2QJ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000KfsH X-Hashcash: 1:23:130620:emacs-devel@gnu.org::hAbNPSqt2LVcMz2/:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000m8fa X-Hashcash: 1:23:130620:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::iemlJCW0VtNVmEed:00000000000000000000000000000000000010ES3 X-Hashcash: 1:23:130620:eliz@gnu.org::LrjGPQZC8ALoPb87:00002Q/7y In-Reply-To: <8338scpvcn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:04:08 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1UpiMd-0002X2-F3 MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1372352979.83432@kRf2zkU+2vHvcwZph35avQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:160759 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't see why the former would be a problem. If you really want it > to work, you can bind it to a command that removes the read-only > properties. Sure. But why would we? A read-only buffer is a simple and understandable interface that gives us this already. > As for the latter, can you elaborate about the annoyance, since > read-only is in yank-excluded-properties? Oh, is that a new thing? Then that's not an annoyance (any more). Having to re-apply properties to ensure that we still are read-only after inserting text (modulo stickiness) is pretty annoying. Being able to use a read-only buffer, but have some text be modifiable, seems like a simple, obvious and symmetrical thing to do. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/