From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Network security manager Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:23:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87oas4h555.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a93oh180.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83h9xw9zg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83d28k9yb9.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbmc8c9e.fsf@gnu.org> <87egt0f5m9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r3wze8wo.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416396259 13098 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2014 11:24:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:24:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 19 12:24:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr3Mr-0007FY-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:24:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57568 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr3Mq-0005XE-Pd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:24:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr3MY-0005X5-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:23:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr3MR-0002Hf-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:23:54 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:36454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr3MR-0002HY-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:23:47 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr3M0-0001RP-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:23:20 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUjBhX59vD8/PwJAQmC UFHUvav36dJoJcG2AAACPUlEQVQ4jV2UsZLjIBBE5w588aK6VS7VSjFV2DllDY5tL5DLJfj/T7hG QrZvyczTTPc0BlJNj6WEMSSu1hhzKr/7jjYwYMdZD2x08w6+sCHdUirMfS15Ack35QngvIF1v/8w xjql2tLs1zv4NpqianP63tUrmCAxF3Dd1TcwQuKgsBLvItRXt8wuZ8+8T7IBmLLMl0U6B3V9fwEh OMa4BB/MTyBhNquc/gfDZKCds1KLkUI2L7tWYLycVHs1+hjnFwjWzQBznszxpvLjCT4tR4CchIn4 Ij6qRj9IGefE+WqOGSvddzAyxRCit+aYUgh+d9V3EFnYOmtOOQfPVaPr+9RyZkbqFzSyVIGCekyX NsJszHOy4r6DToXMMYhNW5gdlDjmq0Ycf4qnFRTpXPbbNab4BKt4nksHHOsxFTBV0JVcEdWCTglR YsxakVNsIBMtxYSW0e+g95cGZaH0AwhenCv44gKWorwOPv2uoLMP1bZFOEcAaU977MO8ztLCEjK0 RHdqxjyjBT5PnyEmZBz4SkJSM+Dg5tSGkJML6yImcaytumI/SZSG4AQjswrGtgBdSrwT9AJ5KcBo dp7kpMmcSK2dsofPpdweC2DIHDYwBEzHiJckEZWb6LZW6db6IHBO+gfwj8TeOFwfqmBrNboRbsyh ArNWrOA2hE/8pSaIbBU6AKh+bP5eKtAbOAA0RcWfcfk1xMvLAeDCZhfqflnfC2lLMwo7cH1Yiqhm iyX5CZpe2dXNtvQT9Nsz8gb+ATyq4jQ3pEOOAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Lori Carson's _Everything I Touch Runs Wild (1)_: "Something's Got Me" X-Hashcash: 1:23:141119:emacs-devel@gnu.org::v9YUEMcdqHOirqV0:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000LAlf In-Reply-To: <87r3wze8wo.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:17:59 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1Xr3M0-0001RP-02 MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1417001000.94972@2K61awRw1VRMSaBE5LpQew X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177734 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > I mean that EWW's visual indicators of identity and trust should be > global. Then you don't interrupt the user (they get cranky!) but show > them a visual indicator that something requires their attention. I can't > think of a better place that works in graphical and text modes and has > the precedent of embedded infobar-style buttons than the modeline. Oh, I see. I misunderstood you completely; sorry. >"? That does sound attractive... eww would put an icon into the mode line, and then the user could click it to answer the query. A kind of "an action is needed" thing. > Furthermore, I think it would make sense to use the same indicators for > GnuTLS connections in general (whatever NSM handles), not just EWW. I > couldn't find UI recommendations for mail clients, but from experience > with a few they treat encryption problems as a high-priority dialog and > interrupt the user experience until you say "OK, trust XYZ." Which is, > again, not ideal for Emacs so we should find a nicer way to indicate > problems without interrupting. The other connections things are usually done interactively, so just asking the user directly is more user-friendly. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no