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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: RFC: String interpolation
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:12:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3twa99im3.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m337ht5fub.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:26:04 +0100")

If we take one step back and look at our objectives and options here,
this is how I see it:

1) It is somewhat attractive to be able to drop variables into
formatting strings: Quite a lot of popular programming languages allow
this.

2) It is not that attractive to extend this to general programming
constructs, because code inside strings is just ... bad.

4b) But people sometimes need to tweak the look of the values before they
are printed, and forcing people to switch between paradigms is also bad.

4d) Introducing new variables, or values visible outside of the
formatting statement is bad, because things that belong inside the
formatting statement belong inside, not outside (for readability and
maintainability).

Solution:

Allow 1), and provide 4b) by putting the extra code inside the
formatting statement, but not inside the string itself.

Ergo:

(fmt "This is %{thing}s and %{zot}.2f"
     :thing (replace-regexp-in-string " +" " " thing))

If, however, you don't mind 4d) at all, and think that introducing new
bindings is a spiffy way to do programming (shades of the fabulous
interface that `url-retrieve' has now), then I guess I can't really say
much more than: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-12 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-08  1:13 RFC: String interpolation Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08  8:27 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-08  8:38   ` Joost Kremers
2016-12-08  9:05     ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-08 18:25   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08  9:02 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-08 18:22   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 14:43 ` Joost Kremers
2016-12-08 18:37   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 20:04     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09  8:57     ` Joost Kremers
2016-12-08 15:51 ` Drew Adams
2016-12-08 18:21   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 20:38   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <<E1cF5SK-0000HO-EL@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-12-08 22:04     ` Drew Adams
2016-12-08 19:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-08 19:31   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 21:31     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-10 16:01       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-09 19:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-12-09 22:45   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-11  2:53     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-12-11 18:46       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-11 18:56         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-11 19:34           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-11 17:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-11 17:53       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-10 14:11   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-10 14:25     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-10 15:39       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-10 15:49         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-10 16:01           ` Yuri Khan
2016-12-10 17:58             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-11 17:47             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-11 19:31               ` Yuri Khan
2016-12-11 20:12                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-11  9:35           ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-11 16:29             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-11 18:42             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12 19:41               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-11 18:41           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-11 21:05             ` Helmut Eller
2016-12-11 21:26               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12  2:39                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-12  9:44                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12 13:03                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-12 14:47                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12 15:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-12 15:26                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12 17:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-12 17:12                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2016-12-12 17:23                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-12 13:40                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-12 14:43                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12 14:54                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-12 17:14                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-12 17:46                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-12 18:33                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-12 19:51                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-12-12 20:41                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-12 23:40                           ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-13 17:42                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-13 18:05                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-13 23:55                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-14  0:07                                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-14  0:10                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-12-14  0:14                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-14  0:17                                       ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-14  0:26                                         ` John Wiegley
2016-12-14  1:48                                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-14  2:48                                             ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-12-14  3:33                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-14  3:52                                                 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-12-14 13:52                                             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-12-14 13:57                                               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-12-14  0:24                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-12-14  0:21                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-14 14:10                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-14 17:00                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-12 19:43                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-12 21:11                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-13 17:41                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-13 17:43                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-14 17:01                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-13  1:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-12-12 16:39                   ` Helmut Eller

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