From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The importance of secrecy Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87zi23bg67.fsf@gmail.com> <87efjd3alj.fsf@gmail.com> <878t9dw3it.fsf@gmail.com> <87po2omkbx.fsf@fastmail.fm> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1524609503 3320 195.159.176.226 (24 Apr 2018 22:38:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:38:23 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 00:38:18 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6Zm-0000mR-B0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:38:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6br-0007YO-Ed for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:40:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46057) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6bk-0007YJ-Sa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:40:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6bg-0001WA-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46335) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6bf-0001UK-PE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.221.165.getinternet.no ([84.212.221.165] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6bX-0001m0-Mn; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:40:09 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEUdQjWWoVJrgyECDydL cxUMKSD6+/k/ZSAcNiwqUi+4vYw2XC3+//7b39ULHUB9kzJkASWTAAACVElEQVQ4jZXST2jTUBwH 8EwKQXsYkYkjdBRihxXBnQbussPEg5cJo3oSpJeisY+BNy+766Ey6WlCIDBKeXul9OBwGbL1Etjz vYOHBRm/nBTKCBQah4p/iC/JquuaOQ3v9snv9/29P1Lh6usPhfnqJbkzfZCanb72cbKTvjO3WZGe YcU8rzaVMbO1ii1FwRe8GDKAOHUotBm0y6AD7HrpLeV7RSLKBC8iBJyFCwHZ9Za3sqoA3OCUlyD+ iiFsTSxaAgBRmwMQEi7R6r23/PPdmiGtYHUNmxhblqpaKsZ43Hv51A/Dmbv9g7mlYk2vjc1O5+W8 dzaaSmRsE4IodRAJoTPZB9cNwV5EzjEgaCes4DaDVbHz35CxEQPmMk4J0KMVK1gJh8LfTNzEuDVu Nc/hnmmKVo7LudiHizi3AeoEEUeMUpHW9XUago3anI+QuuOs629sakjLxIkAQrBIvVRuEZcLICBa 2WUgcau96B9KjShcpKpWFG5hU1XFDZmG9FlnFFiNPUqV7Rp7mO/ERyJaib2J6kY7awOp7YgN7sdw T7cpKZEGpVDKsAHY42UCjbdnOOCjFXf3RIbdz3hwCBuGVLglns9S9aYszxykuv2zEnA7CC4/94NP ozktCKY0P/A3Yugpytf7PeXiiN8LetleNqs8iWHO114taFNfRjXN16Ye+5q/GYcXrkQZN2Q5fqLy pDcEudSfG0yC/f+EwYz5EK4nVByBhKlmcuJITmiVDNEhJsJQRfe0ilMhHcFCBC+OQ2UIUoNQ/Wc4 zFgaamX8tVU3KfwX6qswWHJh5eEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <87po2omkbx.fsf@fastmail.fm> (Joost Kremers's message of "Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:16:18 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224844 Archived-At: Joost Kremers writes: > Note that these "anonymous" modes that modern browser implement really > only serve to hide one's browsing history from family members and > flat/room/office mates that you share your computer with. It has > nothing to do with secrecy or anonymity on the internet. So porn-mode > really isn't that much of a misnomer. Indeed. I had no idea that my lame joke would get Stefan's serious reaction, but in this reality, all we can expect from "anonymous browsing" is that the next person who opens our web browser won't be confronted by our browsing history. That's not nothing -- it's a valuable thing -- but we can't in any serious way present that mode as being "anonymous". We're still being tracked, and people at risk have to use completely different methods to remain safe. I mean, safer. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no