From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some findings and suggestion about Emacs on w32 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:29:46 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <008d01c4b886$32d07ff0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <00d901c4b900$9b774500$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <013a01c4bab2$c9353930$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098779409 27636 80.91.229.6 (26 Oct 2004 08:30:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guy@wyrdrune.com, Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 26 10:30:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMMiQ-0007Hp-00 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:30:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMMq6-0008LR-KQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:37:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMMpw-0008KG-CA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CMMpv-0008Jo-Sb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CMMpv-0008Jh-Oe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMMi5-0007Ge-1z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:29:41 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 94904 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2004 08:29:40 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 08:29:40 -0000 Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" In-Reply-To: <013a01c4bab2$c9353930$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:50:39 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28958 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28958 "Lennart Borgman" writes: > : > ----- Original Message ----- > : > From: "Kim F. Storm" > : > : I don't understand. How does gnuclient make emacs easier to learn ? > > What I wanted to say was that if gnuclient is used then you can open your > files from Windows Explorer or cmd.exe and they all get into Emacs just as > if you opened them from inside Emacs. Then the new user does not have to > rethink how he/she searches for files for example. It can be done as usual. I understood this, but I don't see how it makes _learning_ emacs easier. For one thing you wont learn of dired or C-x C-f which are much better integrated. Anyways, what you talk about is 'integration' with the o/s, and I think that is a good thing to do. And yes, clicking on a .c file should launch the file in emacs rather than Visual Stupido. > Does not this makes it more easy to learn Emacs? Being able to start a program doesn't usually make you an expert :-) > At least it seems to me > that less details have to be learned to begin using Emacs. (Of course I > could give more examples like this, but I hope the main idea gets through.) I think we should do both -- users are not alike, and once you master emacs, why would you ever go into Windoze Exploder to open a file when it's right there in C-x C-f ? > : A major difference is that in CVS emacs, emacsserver is now INTERNAL > : written in ELisp via make-network-process. I.e. only emacsclient is > : an external program. > > Is emacsserver started automatically or does the user have to start > emacsserver from .emacs (or another init file)? You must start the server with (server-start) in .emacs. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk