From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: xassert in dispextern.h Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:16:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109713634 27344 80.91.229.2 (1 Mar 2005 21:47:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 22:47:14 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6FB7-0002CO-Eq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:45:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6FTk-0000Hg-N3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:04:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6FOc-00044E-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:59:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6FOb-00043Y-4Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:59:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6FJU-0001pB-UP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:53:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6Ej9-0004GB-Ei; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:16:23 -0500 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 90D705EE005; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:16:21 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: (Jason Rumney's message of "Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:58:27 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34007 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34007 Jason Rumney writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> That's completely backwards. > > What's completely backwards is to turn off a feature that helps us > find bugs so that people can treat the CVS HEAD as a stable release of > Emacs. At least half of the xasserts that have been reported to fail so far have been false alarms -- or at least too harmless to cause an abort. Before Miles enabled xasserts unconditionally, emacs had IMO been running rock solid for a long, long time -- except for a few unexplainable crashes. Now we have a more unstable and slower emacs -- but none of the aborts so far have given a clue to any of the unexplainable crashes. I agree with David that the benefits from the xasserts do not justify the costs at this stage of development. IIRC, even 21.1 was released without having xasserts defined by default during pretest. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk