From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs -Q not documented Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:31:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20050329.162832.71106586.wl@gnu.org> <20050402.084718.31638992.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112687545 5281 80.91.229.2 (5 Apr 2005 07:52:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 05 09:52:17 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIiqN-00032p-PQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:51:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIiPE-00022y-8B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:23:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIiDb-0006X6-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIiDT-0006U0-RC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:11:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIiDS-0006Fw-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:11:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIiXj-0002pZ-Ir for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 28955 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 07:32:02 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 07:32:02 -0000 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35572 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35572 Richard Stallman writes: > The patch is trivial, but we should probably add a long name for it. > > I guess so--if we keep it. But the set of things it does is not > really coherent. > > It turns off all init files; it also turns off various frame features > such as the menu bar and tool bar, it turns off tool tips, > and it selects a different type of cursor. There is nothing particularly > natural or desirable about this combination. It is intended to be an option turn off all "extra features". This is _extremely_ useful for reporting and debugging redisplay problems, as it removes a lot of extra stuff that is most often irrelevant to a specific problem. Just like we ask people to try emacs -q for reported problems in lisp code, it is very useful to ask a person to try reproducing a redisplay problem with emacs -Q and if the problem exists in that situation, you can quickly eliminate a lot of possible causes of the problem. But most important, running emacs -Q when debugging redisplay problems makes it much easier to know what's going on. > I see no reason to have > a short option for it. Perhaps we should just remove it. Just because we cannot find a long name for it -- that's silly, IMO! Please keep the option. It serves the purpose it was added for very well!! > > Why was -Q installed, anyway? You approved it... -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk