From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the default for `send-mail-function' Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:59:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309354437 29123 80.91.229.12 (29 Jun 2011 13:33:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 15:33:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qbuts-00068E-VX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:33:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41691 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qbutr-0004q5-L9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54461) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbtQt-0004xS-Ef for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbtQr-0007IT-EO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:43040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbtQq-0007HT-Uo; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:59:49 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QbtQa-0005Md-Vk; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:59:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:58:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJ1BMVEX/ufT/wff8AEn9AE36 ADn8AEH9AEX+o936ADr/se38AEL+b6X8AEMwzB/bAAAB00lEQVQ4jY2Rv46bQBDGlyqiM6+wKBQp ueh0tW+wUJTqwlpXYzw6ofSWlRaiK0llbRsJF7xACr9cZnYWHweOlE8r/sxvZr7ZXXX3D6n/BfEt kOpEY3wDaESN5RKkCSImpY5vAEKlLuN5qwRLqVkC0QLgCPQMlP12MMNwdv5T8AnrekD2X3jU2J+9 yftxB0JLoLE+O3O3kTegCQwy1TugNVkYw0XXcXcvTykfVN9mPcB0H/fNhgcyDRiAXEykVQnwaowp gFa+xf2jBzopALLMPDcZlWy/43oEWAGR1jzTC17bryNA3HOoLbKCE6rGt0qyune5DTDIP0IuIIWh 54hDpN9QebAHHmei6kkAbgvegSh3TzFPhgLaETQTkOL+2oVbbshEwEuB9cTkC6x3ciT3sE4q393p MR6PvfmJm8lYm+t9POzu+rd4QeZK2QPpx2UmFSh7Oogulz/+q4siFY01InuyH6JVxGAVRCo8zPSL AGtaQ1VRQA4uPgMBtVEcDrvQXkc4Hq2yHdUwUQKOlM0KVjQTgZVyvz5K9QG3d4/QdgKPlE4NPFAc VJ0jdkwXEFofpUpqHQXC6C9UJ9efVhDJ1sbZOV9xjidy7ChX+hm++Vu4XP4C7OBH6K64n4YAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Boris with Merzbow's _Klatter_: "Naki Kyoku" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110629:emacs-devel@gnu.org::e2DY5vveVHVnRB/T:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000b2Ba X-Hashcash: 1:23:110629:rms@gnu.org::xA6F3e2xWW10jGEj:000000v7MF X-MailScanner-ID: 1QbtQa-0005Md-Vk MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1309953573.09943@fcnJekIfXeujKbb0v07XoQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141173 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Times have moved on. All other modern mail readers have moved on from > trying to use the local MTA to send email out, because the world has > changed. These days, it's way more likely that you need to talk to your > ISPs local servers directly, and you need to fill out some credentials > tied to your account. > > If a client program can do that, why can't Exim do that? Because SMTP is slowly moving towards a regime of per-user authentication. That is, to send someone email these days, you often have to provide a user name and a password. If you're the only one sending mail from your machine, it's theoretically possible to configure exim to provide these credentials to the upstream MTA. (At least I think it's possible -- I haven't actually checked.) If there are two people sending email from your machine, that obviously isn't what you want to do, what with the password then being shared and stuff. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/