From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as the windows manager for graphical windows, How can I help? Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:45:59 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20130403204418.aecea57644ceab4bc7098a78@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365018377 6072 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2013 19:46:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 03 21:46:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNTdr-0001pc-Bf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:46:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53940 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNTdS-0003V1-LP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54365) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNTdP-0003Tf-Px for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNTdN-0006ge-H9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:46:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.bahnhof.se ([213.80.101.11]:51685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNTdN-0006gV-AC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:46:13 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (mf.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.20]) by mx1-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0C429559F; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:46:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MF1) Original-Received: from mf1.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf1.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FAvb9vK1EB9v; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mta.verona.se (h-235-102.a149.priv.bahnhof.se [85.24.235.102]) by mf1.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF8DAEA876; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944B44E2795; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:46:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at verona Original-Received: from mta.verona.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (exodia.verona.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lCD0Wja-DYgQ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:45:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from chopper.vpn.verona.se (DIR-655.verona.se [192.168.200.86]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E559E4E1300; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:45:59 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Adrian Robert's message of "Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:24:42 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Mac OS X 10.x X-Received-From: 213.80.101.11 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158623 Archived-At: Adrian Robert writes: > Is this going to be an "Emacs-on-X" only feature going into mainline, No. The "xwidgets" name was spectacularily badly chosen. The "x" stems from "eXternal", *not* "X11". In retrospect "embedded widgets", would have given the name "the Emacs Emwidget branch". Nobody would have understood that either, but it would at least not caused all the confusion. I only recently understood this confusion myself, which is why I havent changed the branch name. Now it would be quite some work to change the internals to reflect a name change. That said, the only Xwidget implementation there is, is based on GTK. I did have a user telling me he had the xwidget branch working on OSX, but I havent heard from him in a while. > or is there some idea of universal hooks and implementations on other > windowing systems? The interface should be implementable on any sort of widget set that allows for offscreen widgets and stuff like that. I'd be interested in having a look at porting to other toolkits, but I want to have an actual properly working gtk implementation first. > I only ask because in the past there has been some resistance to > platform-specific functionality, though X does have special status also... > > > -- Joakim Verona