From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: build broken: no defun org-float-time. Who's guilty, and what does he propose? Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:59:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20090907092823.GA3210@muc.de> <83ws4a3b49.fsf@gnu.org> <0C7A6FC6-085D-4B7F-9DC0-FF0493876153@raeburn.org> <15tyzeinlq.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252357282 24037 80.91.229.12 (7 Sep 2009 21:01:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 23:01:14 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MklKo-0002Hf-00 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:01:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56242 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MklKm-0001cW-Fn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:01:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MklJl-0000zZ-56 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:00:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MklJf-0000vJ-Ps for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:00:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49170 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MklJf-0000vB-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]:65143) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MklJc-0005Fn-OH; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:59:56 -0400 Original-Received: from iph1.telenor.se (195.54.127.132) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 49F5A1520345D2A8; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:59:55 +0200 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: joakvero X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoFlAPMQpUpT44qWPGdsb2JhbACbNAEBAQE3vQqEGAU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,348,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="42398431" Original-Received: from ua-83-227-138-150.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO exodia) ([83.227.138.150]) by iph1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2009 22:59:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (chopper.lan [192.168.200.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by exodia (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n87Kxps9019643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:59:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15tyzeinlq.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:03:29 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115094 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: >>>> A make that removed old .elc files and did bootstrap when needed is >>>> the ideal solution. The second part is probably very hard. >>> >>> What we need IMO is a way to scan all the *.el files, look for >>> `require', and generate Make dependencies between Lisp files. Then >>> this problem should be gone for good. > > Or we could just ask Stefan to install the patch he has to prefer .el > files while building: > > http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=2061#92 > > The level of hyperbole in the OP and the subject is rather extreme. > Always run `make bootstrap' if you don't want to deal with these issues. > > Automated build testing is no use, since it cannot come round to your > house and type `make bootstrap' for you. Would it not be possible to have 2 sets of automated build tests? One that tests a clean checkout, and one that shows the latest state of an incremental build? I think automated build tests would be useful even without testing incremental builds. > -- Joakim Verona