From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: not too happy with Emacs 21 vertical-line dragging when scrollbars present Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:34:49 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097152562 32683 80.91.229.6 (7 Oct 2004 12:36:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 07 14:35:52 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CFXUu-00045C-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:35:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFXbd-0002EY-NS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CFXbV-0002E8-F7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:42:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CFXbU-0002DT-1n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:42:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFXbT-0002Ce-N1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:42:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFXTr-0005jq-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:34:47 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 36662 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 12:34:43 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 12:34:43 -0000 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:10:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28028 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28028 Richard Stallman writes: > It would be much better if we could find a way to just drag the > scroll-bar. > > Dragging in the scroll bar has another meaning. > > One way would be to always make a tiny area between windows that you > could drag. But unless we do it by reducing the qscroll bar width, > that would take away space that is now used for text display. > > We DID have a tiny area, at the bottom of the scroll bar. Drew is > complaining that we got rid of it. It is much easier to use a square > than a very thin rectangle. It is hard to put the mouse on the > latter. That's not correct. It is easy to put the cursor on that tiny line! The code uses a relaxed check so that if the mouse is within ONE COLUMN on either side of the line, the cursor changes to the <-> drag cursor. So there is already a virtual block area there which is TWO COLUMS wide there. > > It is much harder (impossible) to make a drag-able area to the right > of the modeline, as there is no fixed right edge of the modeline at the > lisp level [the modeline is simply truncated by redisplay]. > > It would be hard to do it at the right using mode-line-format. > It would be easy to add a new feature that would override part > of the mode line at the right when appropriate. Personally, I see no reason to make that explicitly stand out more than it already does... -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk