From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GSoC 2013 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 09:58:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87txmkt9tc.fsf@tanger.home> <0wsj22aaw2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87vc6xss1e.fsf@tanger.home> <87wqrdjy1j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txmh7aqn.fsf@tanger.home> <87vc6xjumn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <379181EA-3CC0-47CE-B870-C9E5273C34F5@mit.edu> <8738u0lnft.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367827159 26395 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2013 07:59:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 07:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: chad , "emacs-devel@gnu.org Development" To: "Stephen J. 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Turnbull's message of "Mon, 06 May 2013 13:52:38 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Mac OS X 10.x X-Received-From: 213.80.101.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159364 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > chad writes: > > > GSoC is an effort to help get potential hackers hacking, not to > > outsource programming needs to cheap labor. > > It's both, and more. In particular, it's *not* a mentor-student > relationship, it's a project-student relationship, *represented* by > the mentor. > > > Anyone who actually wants to see Emacs get more involved in GSoC > > needs to start putting in organizational effort (creating process, > > identifying projects, recruiting students, recruiting mentors, etc) > > *before*, not *at* the deadline. > > Exactly my point. Giving Emacs slots is just encouraging its bad > behavior. There are a lot of well-behaved projects out there, some > with excellent students, who aren't going to get slots. Emacs is most > likely going to get slots it doesn't deserve. That sucks. Some of us are making a best effort. The effort doesnt show much on this list because its not here its taking place. IMO the project I intend to mentor is going well. Not because of me because I my brain wasnt fitted with an administration module. Damirod wrote the proposals etc, and he made a good job. > > By the way, I've done all that. Project identification wasn't very > good (but it was better than the whole GNU Project's ideas page, which > is just plain sad for an organization that preens like the leader of > the whole free software world, and of course Emacs doesn't even have > one), and we deserved to have our org rejected this year.[1] > > So I know it's not that much effort that Emacs couldn't do it if it > wanted to. Emacs just doesn't want to. > > > Footnotes: > [1] Google also has some non-quality criteria that we didn't score > high on -- we may very well not make it next year, either. > > -- Joakim Verona