From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:21:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389075811 27489 80.91.229.3 (7 Jan 2014 06:23:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, Lennart Borgman , toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 07 07:23:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Q4f-0001ye-Ex for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:23:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39026 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Q4f-0004lm-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 01:23:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Q3H-0003WV-0h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 01:22:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Q3B-0007PI-O9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 01:22:10 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57153) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Q3B-0007Ot-HK; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 01:22:05 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Q2q-0001TP-S1; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:21:44 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEXvxsPVb3SyQEdGDhEN AAEjAga58NQBAAACWElEQVQ4jU1Uy3bjIAyVk3Zv4c4+QLOvUfiAGcN+psD//0qvhNOOTnwAXfS6 EqECqfVGUxait14qdDSB3/QtvZdhAC7UNsRP9ZZHrn08gQpj8/arlw51/Q+o/8zPGA98o38D9VGh v/YMi14sRi0H9IeUleilSX/0Ol3VMWoTkYwgb9jkUeHpTFdUPoiirrmUsw7oU4oNFrGFdCIKNGkc HxUW95K8Q5wJQO+XEFOiJUnwC/xZjCojrUtwPtLVYyGX1RmVY3wyToHdDZ9bFx9bm+nuDiae+WNn vZJYrPKByLIyJABk2prfsgGJd0cMk+jZL+sFxxNwOxHCq3haiROfAEgixwYw6wHAQe8TYI4N6XgD 4OqDXofoHp4ERQY+20h0mV1FhTFE72wfc8MCBmFySSEF/HYFjGm6ivq6ILBjF4KGMI2a7LquC585 RTPAZbALPS2rRVZ26TlLXu8qRDCL0xH0FawwyCVSsjjnT9O/lzFSEBk36znqGeOAzSv0sAgh7sgT bIWMeTsIrTUAruK62So6iH9trsZu7QhhxhgZ02tAMgUrubrA12wtOKWfDi4cxxyGnFCYC848eZQC SgwQHDAC4BzMK6Eocc6VUo0A4oHtBpir2tgA+bzFltR62Z6AxZCwOklO6ZpAGT7w6jDNdHGIwRhW S7fkPW6e3e5xN/Earv7+mNOetopEI0hMfuF7czKBih2amhH2vgfe0jafgT4o3O/6ON+QO1jM54s6 BLTnjqRfQNtFni9K31SI+dCJqdj9vEF4Qwf0f2YpI7dRfgAVG5n+PP35AurQs9/ehjHBAAAAAElF TkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Ultra =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nat=E9's?= _One Woman's Insanity_: "Joy" X-Hashcash: 1:23:140107:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::wi+XIK86g5URCgFl:00000000000000000000000000000000000003aOg X-Hashcash: 1:23:140107:lennart.borgman@gmail.com::H52WSkmpjLX16o6g:00000000000000000000000000000000000090gy X-Hashcash: 1:23:140107:rms@gnu.org::wh3D7Dhg5xTbx8xT:000000F8j0 X-Hashcash: 1:23:140107:toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org::Hqhan04Oe6Q61wht:00000000000000000000jwfT X-Hashcash: 1:23:140107:esr@thyrsus.com::Xeu/UkRnWziRl9os:013XXG X-Hashcash: 1:23:140107:emacs-devel@gnu.org::CaLKpdUS+pGygCuM:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000019Z3c In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:12:21 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1W0Q2q-0001TP-S1 MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1389680505.00108@YluA4yyi+Y7X+gB1+BFMuw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167573 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > This said, the "what you call a window is called a frame" is not nearly > as problematic as "what we call window is not what you think", so maybe > renaming "window" to "pane" would get us most of the benefit. I think you're right there. If we just get rid of the word "window", I think that'll fix most confusions. "Pane" and "frame" are more "technical" terms, and people aren't as apt to make assumptions about what they mean. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no