From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: libnettle/libhogweed WIP Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:40:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8337daggnj.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1cdwxt6.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83tw5pg1q3.fsf@gnu.org> <87zifhulc2.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83h91og80k.fsf@gnu.org> <87pogbuhoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <834lxndmd9.fsf@gnu.org> <87efwrug6z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83bmrscvdb.fsf@gnu.org> <871ssos8jp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83y3uwb995.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpafbyk6.fsf@gnu.org> <83o9vraxow.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvbbavyp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1492717239 2514 195.159.176.226 (20 Apr 2017 19:40:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:40:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 20 21:40:35 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d1HwN-0000TK-Oa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:40:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55697 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d1HwT-0003yt-6B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:40:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33051) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d1HwL-0003yc-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:40:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d1HwG-0006FU-Ly for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:40:29 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:45017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d1HwG-0006Dx-FS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.213.17.174.getinternet.no ([84.213.17.174] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d1Hw6-0006kg-N8; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:40:17 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEUAAAB5bmZEPzu/saOn mYuUh3uJfXOcj4K23n9TAAACSElEQVQ4jVWUy3LiMBBFFYoPiHmELTCErIk0YTtEMt4OFdraogxW 1pQl+venW8I8egH2Pbq3Wy7LQuTqjdWuKPbbqXisJ13MuWaT70e9GpA4K+h3eU96pM+KVIP58vkG jt8XmWs+u/bpn+50IoMOVMVjdZb+Kd2+vHjvX3KjB4NPlUmyPG2u65uafq6WX451Xl1nE5Nrks+k bprG88LnnOTy0gaAUM2Esvq7y3rHgYxSmBCjbqDiuHWDMQCkNlOBnd4qY+Q3xUHtucmKJm0oaKiq oLVaWgsc+yw2lEyxThoC2K4gUphzA3FKg/qh4XITNY6EPIO8tS9ElMpV2qGNNFkhWIfaKVeMN6Ow bjcUxZMlQNtVQYI2tgofgIwYNDTi3qDEcm9LXP8g8sSCdAIB0alt2JewRqSJAQQ/IQIA+ndpYGar CrmiSHoM8KNsWdYt4pplRMG6ta0/+uNZSRX3BNgkeASL7VjS4yrBxq8qpDCB1CnaUKpz4wmcWgzk CJX4yT1W/Ffa6CTLxmzEhDpFtHps66aE82hNq9GYT7EIgSPbVePJ4TRdk8H8Ea/GpGayqG3pRjws GcxBzEwmQdVQjCQATWuMnooegTR4kFTRZkNFZ2N4sVjIW+IO+p1euIW6EuCgBP4SmEuV0yJCvOiS 3+reUOrs4Q1xAyPf0zF4ldmDaR5ar2U+hr1WyvSOZJ2CPi5H7U1eSCq6OXSn+d+NaLpc3c45701q nXV599l4k3d1EHe1uOmfj1+ZZac/fmT4AUxIVbt5d/8fQYUODlvNTgQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:25:43 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:214156 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > And by the time that carelessness bites the user, it'll be a lot more > difficult to track down its source and fix it, because the > misunderstanding will have carried over various parts of the design of > his code. Lars understands this very well because Gnus's code is full > of such problems. Indeed. Even trivial things like forwarding files drifts irregularly between states of "works now" and "destroys your files" as Gnus fights and tries to work with the ever-changing Emacs DWIM machinery. What's right for interactive use are often not the correct primitives for implementing protocols. But if you have predictable primitives, you can make Emacs DWIM interactively. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no