From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `message' not outputting the newline "atomically" Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 20:44:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <68b398b1-3790-b32f-535d-6ea2518f79b8@cs.ucla.edu> <83pnn1lkej.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvccjrpo.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhm3i285.fsf@gnu.org> <7a39d680-6234-1301-74e5-62d599f500f6@cs.ucla.edu> <838stfd0pp.fsf@gnu.org> <835zojd0fx.fsf@gnu.org> <834l43czz8.fsf@gnu.org> <5c979663-9ded-4273-11d1-483345053a6f@cs.ucla.edu> <831rz7cvoh.fsf@gnu.org> <540324b5-fad3-ded0-5018-6abb494ce126@cs.ucla.edu> <83blyaaq5l.fsf@gnu.org> <73e8afc0-2151-9c8b-26c5-454fcd2f361d@cs.ucla.edu> <83tvbx7v9l.fsf@gnu.org> <83y31740yg.fsf@gnu.org> <41d16c85-f541-a437-e9ce-12cb94c0d2cc@cs.ucla.edu> <83pnmj3vp9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="126351"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Paul Eggert , daniele@grinta.net, Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 09 21:01:25 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkvMf-000WWZ-KA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:01:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52804 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkv7u-0001wI-50 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hkv7I-0001e9-GC for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:45:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hkv7G-0003KJ-NP for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:45:27 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:45872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hkv7G-0002xj-FB; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=stories) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkv6k-0008Gp-Mi; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 20:44:57 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEXSSAvtrQn64gfliQpM AAFlAQX8KfDUAAACYklEQVQ4jVWUTZLcIAyFhTW9t+ACBi4gocx+qmLvnerx/a+SJ9ydqWjRdvPx kNCP6Zp2UhIpTo/5b4fR9b3vx8m5wUSUAnwHiJ+LZWutVM9FsXAEoVgnH320msXiNCxcExwnuayt FnfDWS9JAO1SuOYq3UyJP6cE4FQS8p4LTjIp5FNC++FKzb1KNbHUE/EvSAB+u5bk0nM3aMzVFcdf tLOze7Eq3n0rvGix74j0gL9F3bqP5mI1E2mcRV+FaDHGDVovvoqyF8R10FcnN0+CgEZei5Grxq3p +WCp/ClVJMvwwU3dIyVP7MbV/kQW64JEFskagIs1RPRpUIyCpEjN6wQiHvYw8Yqw3LP0jwkGkgfX ynd+JbeCDFOybD1Xa3BSM2qFN5ug1DwQUJs1BJDWUgDWUqGWdlu8txFgSVY0bW9Fym1tPBVMRIMS LSttJInSSstUrDQSUQqujFde1xts2G1EnFd62/SRlFmdCUVxfaLkjj0TxJbHeZ50nmjI+SYByBBO bnkmsbUuKJhOUMfM68i9Ztu2Vp3rBHzfbXndj3jUHp14ogIe/cCoqduKHu7bGWCprb/yAdUW7rZQ EEB9gxx7ZNGoB6XaXnkKhSCuRhMwVsYNRhuoc88xNHRS+6cYIaq9z/b5ovw/kBL32+mgpf3YyK3q HD/anyHBrdE2MynI/h4tGnMzV2YCelUuHzc4SDGDcZka48wlXKPbMWooQZRhGp7XDTBwUdTXsqk+ wjUm6jr2WJptGqM5PxUYWzyvYxJDG4XwFgBcByr6Y7eHCebH5+WDHvdBb4AnDuOXgyMW/gKo5ab4 Ov9kXgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== In-Reply-To: <83pnmj3vp9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:32:34 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 80.91.231.51 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:238475 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> In practice this has not >> been a problem because nobody cares whether these kinds of Emacs >> messages go to >> stdout or stderr. > > I don't understand how could you make these assertions. What are they > based on? > > I believe it is a convention to output diagnostic messages about > abnormal or unexpected events to stderr, not stdout. Why should Emacs > deviate from this convention? I, for one, want the error messages to go to stderr and informational messages to go to stdout. But there currently doesn't seem to be a way to specify that from Emacs Lisp? That is, there's no version of message under --batch that allows you to write to stdout? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no