From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <878wabxg0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87635eycga.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267600105 10913 80.91.229.12 (3 Mar 2010 07:08:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 03 08:08:21 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmigu-00065G-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:08:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56632 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nmigt-0002Pl-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:08:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nmign-0002Pc-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:08:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56660 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nmigm-0002PD-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:08:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmigl-0006Up-Ux for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:08:12 -0500 Original-Received: from iwfs.imcode.com ([82.115.149.64]:45964 helo=gate.verona.se) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmigf-0006Td-Pn; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:08:06 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:1005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gate.verona.se (8.13.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id o2377uBN029390; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:07:57 +0100 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121589 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > > Worms may wriggle, too. The question is whether there is a central > > agency moving forward. > > Of course *we* have a central agency moving forward. It's called > "Emacs", and it has bright red taillights we can follow through the > fog. > > It's *you* guys who have to *worry* about being a pack of wriggling > worms, not us.[1] Worse, your development is constrained by political > considerations that have saddled you with a 1990s bug tracker and a > VCS that gives 1980s performance while satisfying the requirement to > support 1970s workflows. Not to mention massive internal obstacles to > benefitting from work done by anybody who doesn't actively pledge > allegiance to Emacs. :-( People enjoying Lisp systems and Emacs in particular often seem to agree that some computer science concepts only get better with age, right? The comparision with 1980:s style VCS:es seems unfair though, I dont recall using any VCS in the 80:s with the bazaar feature set. > I really don't think you should kid yourselves about how thriving > Emacs is. On the other hand, I don't think there's anything > inherently fatal in being an uncoordinated pack of hackers. > > Footnotes: > [1] Of course we are a pack of wriggling worms just as you are, and > just as every FLOSS project that has grown beyond the single hacker > scale is. The difference is that being #2 means we have an obvious > direction for progress. > -- Joakim Verona