From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeff Clough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Guile in Emacs Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4B8147A9.7030504@gmail.com> <87aauiho3y.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <1271028837.6164.55.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1271102739.6067.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <8039yz34ka.fsf@tiny.isode.net> <1271173887.6067.53.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87FA5F05CB9C41409B9E72BD06D7C8CF@us.oracle.com> <87fx2xp839.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <3EFDD45EB5AD4018B8FEA8F13CFEDA32@us.oracle.com> <345707DD850E4DBAAD1ACA687DC5A514@us.oracle.com> <819CB418F9374D3B834E0134A580E73A@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271429001 8034 80.91.229.12 (16 Apr 2010 14:43:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'David Kastrup' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, christian.lynbech@tieto.com To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 16 16:43:19 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2mlI-0000aK-HN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:43:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46418 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2mlG-0003cn-RD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O2mj9-0002iU-Ep for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34421 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2mj6-0002gz-4l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2mj3-00040r-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:40:59 -0400 Original-Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.125]:45853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2mit-0003xr-47; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:40:52 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=LStmOzECkPR9xsMk4mw8zTEuC0H5p2ZSOXz5TIvtHNE= c=1 sm=0 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=wN3dDBks/ChO7xvezkoALQ==:17 a=yPCof4ZbAAAA:8 a=HzNGgs2hSZisX1yMJrAA:9 a=cYCn0uQSXvLp4kTPt-Vii4vdyNwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7DSvI1NPTFQA:10 a=V2Feftgnmce33UgQ:21 a=l3ldwYmQR6FaU2bO:21 a=wN3dDBks/ChO7xvezkoALQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.70.71.134 Original-Received: from [74.70.71.134] ([74.70.71.134:42837] helo=logrus.localdomain) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 9F/89-19557-CE678CB4; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:40:45 +0000 In-Reply-To: <819CB418F9374D3B834E0134A580E73A@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:25:33 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.95 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123763 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> It is not okay for critical documentation to be hosted >> anywhere but a user's hard drive, > > You've added "critical" now, but your previous argument was against all, not > just "critical", non-local reference. Sigh. I'm not adding requirements, *you* are being pedantic. > Which user? What size hard drive? Will you tailor the available doc set by > design to Emacs running on a 1 gig flash drive or other lowest common > denominator? I'll just point at what Emacs is doing today and say "Pretty much that". > Nowadays, the number of people who actually download PDF docs for a large > software product, in order to have them locally, is miniscule, compared to the > number who consult the same doc set on demand, on line (Web) as HTML. And a growing number of people are using netbooks with dodgy wi-fi connections. There is a general philosophical debate showing up in various places as to whether it is okay to assume the presence of the network when the user is not doing non network-specific things. Apparently you feel the answer is yes. > But that doesn't mean that the entire doc set for Emacs (or anything else) needs > to be or should be kept to a minimal size that every user could store on a > typical hard disk. My info directory is 14 megabytes. Even if the new version required this to increase by a full order of magnitude in order to be "complete", I fail to see how this is in any way a limitation. > A hard-and-simple hard-disk criterion such as you express is not appropriate. > Doc that is not needed by users is wasted and should be pruned. But if some > particular doc is needed to explain something, then it's needed, period. Again, I'm going to point to what Emacs has today and say "See, that? We should do that." You disagree, fair enough. Jeff