From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cua-mode and the tutorial Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:30:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <44C8F069.1070002@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1156404738 17818 80.91.229.2 (24 Aug 2006 07:32:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 24 09:32:15 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG9hB-0007qy-Qt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:32:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG9hB-00039i-8W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:32:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GG9gx-00037v-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GG9gw-00036s-Nr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG9gw-00036j-J9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:31:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG9ov-0000PV-61; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:40:09 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.124]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A5E87A50079; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:31:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:19 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58793 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Other than that, the tutorial is quite useful even for users of CUA! > So one approach is to just bind locally bind cua-enable-cua-keys to > nil in the tutorial buffer and make a note like this: > > The purpose of the tutorial is to teach you the basic, standard > Emacs key bindings. Therefore, CUA mode's C-z C-x C-c and C-v > bindinds have been disabled in this tutorial buffer. [Details] > > I have no objection to that. If you think it does a good job of > dealing with CUA mode, then let's do it. IMO, it is ok. > But we should make it offer to delete the customization > in case the user was not asked about it. Too complex for very little benefit IMHO. We don't know what method was used to enable CUA-mode. It could be a customization, but it could also be an explicit call to CUA-mode in emacs. So that is not trivial to do right in all cases. > In theory we could do this, but is it adequate for learning to use > Emacs with viper? I doubt it. Ok, I agree. So we seem to agree that the tutorial should not start at all if viper is enabled, but just list the differences in key bindings. > The purpose of the tutorial is to teach you the basic, standard > Emacs key bindings. Therefore, some non-standard key bindinds > have been disabled in this tutorial buffer. [Details] > > No, in general this is not a useful way to deal with the situation. Ok. > So I reject this approach in general, but I will accept it for CUA mode. Ok. Lennart, comments? -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk