From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:33:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> <87aa97nghb.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318401235 30528 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 06:33:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , larsi@gnus.org, Eli Zaretskii , drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 08:33:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDsNt-0004bi-Cm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:33:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56371 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDsNs-00033V-Qh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:33:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51005) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDsNq-000336-B1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:33:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDsNp-0003QP-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:33:42 -0400 Original-Received: from iwfs.imcode.com ([82.115.149.64]:55695 helo=gate.verona.se) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDsNl-0003JZ-T7; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from chopper.vpn.verona.se (IDENT:1005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gate.verona.se (8.13.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id p9C6XXcx017778; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:33:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87aa97nghb.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:30:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 82.115.149.64 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144957 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80319 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I cannot speak for Posix platforms nowadays, but I do know that almost >> every Windows box out there has its mail client set up > > Considering the increasing popularity of webmail, this may not be true > anymore. My unscientific analysis is that of all windows boxen I see during work hours exactly everyone uses webmail in some form, and also some form of Outlook mail client. People mostly use it to book meetings though. Of all the much fewer private windows boxen I see exactly everyone uses webmail. Precisely zero users have had only a Outlook client install do all their mail. Again, this is just my personal observation working with, say, a hundred developers or so recently. Of all these people two people used Emacs. Me and another guy. We both use GNU/Linux and have mail setup already. Anyway, IMHO an http->bugtracker additional interface should be set up. I fail to see why this would be controversial apart from the added problem of preventing spam on that additional interface. > Also, I don't like the argument that we should treat Windows users > differently from users on other platforms, just because they are likely > to use some proprietary mail client. In that context, offering to set > up Emacs for sending email is actually good, if it encourages less > dependence on such mail clients. -- Joakim Verona