From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finish updating copyright years Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <86ll0ap5sl.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <86sluhn5nc.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <868xw9n302.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1130772914 19631 80.91.229.2 (31 Oct 2005 15:35:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Piet van Oostrum , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 31 16:35:12 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWbfi-0000eO-RB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:34:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWbfi-0004mQ-7s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:34:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EWbTN-0006WZ-4F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:21:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EWbTL-0006VH-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:21:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWbTI-0006Uh-4O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:21:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.235] (helo=pfepa.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EWbTH-0006I8-Hx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:21:15 -0500 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.124]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2166347FE95; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:21:03 +0100 (CET) Original-To: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) In-Reply-To: <868xw9n302.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> (Randal L. Schwartz's message of "31 Oct 2005 07:02:37 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45179 Archived-At: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >>>>>> "Kim" == Kim F Storm writes: > > Kim> merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >>> Copyright (c) 1994, 2005 Randal L. Schwartz >>> >>> without any new creative content, because that would be artificially >>> extending the date of original publication, and that's not legal. > > Kim> IIUC, the argument is that the copyright applies to the Emacs release > Kim> as a whole, and *Emacs* has definitely changed in 2005. > > Darn it, stop picking a fight with me. :) You started it ;-) > That same argument would have applied to my books then, as well, but I > was given precisely the opposite advice. The *entire* book hasn't > changed, just *some* of the words and pages. Same is true for emacs: > you didn't rewrite it from scratch between 2004 and 2005: some of the > code is *identically* the same. Therefore, it's not a *new* creative > act... but a composite of existing creativity *plus* new creativity. But take emacs/src/xdisp.c as an example. It is 23750 lines of C code. Now, suppose I changed 25 lines in that file. So only a fraction of the file is new creativity, but still I would update the copyright to say (C) 2005. How is that different from you adding some new material to your book? We can argue about this issue forever, but if our lawyer says the policy is ok, I'm ok with that. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk