From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:44:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ehf1cwc4.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20130331220136.GA16863@saturn> <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> <83mwtef9f5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365101084 23060 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2013 18:44:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 04 20:45:12 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNp9p-0003us-VL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:45:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52811 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNp9R-0002vr-4o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNp9J-0002rz-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNp9F-00043s-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.bahnhof.se ([213.80.101.11]:54631) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNp98-0003yi-SL; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:27 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (mf.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.20]) by mx1-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52246295E46; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:44:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MF2) Original-Received: from mf2.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf2.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qGMDw6JIUDIE; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mta.verona.se (h-235-102.a149.priv.bahnhof.se [85.24.235.102]) by mf2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436014500EF; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D85E4E3469; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:44:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at verona Original-Received: from mta.verona.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (exodia.verona.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3EmuiDU9M6Cm; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:44:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from chopper.vpn.verona.se (DIR-655.verona.se [192.168.200.86]) by mta.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44EB4E0AB0; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:44:10 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83mwtef9f5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 04 Apr 2013 21:16:46 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Mac OS X 10.x X-Received-From: 213.80.101.11 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158655 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: John Wiegley >> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:44:43 -0500 >> >> As a data point: if Emacs does decide on Git, I'll become a more active >> contributor again; if it doesn't, I have other things to do. Bzr/Mercurial is >> enough of a "joy-stealing" barrier that -- like now -- I would not be >> interested in submitting my work upstream. And this same situation is true >> for some others as well, as evidenced by voices on this mailing list. > > I'm very sad to hear that, because I think it is improper for > contributors to put up such an ultimatum for a project. I hope that > people who contribute to Emacs (and any other project) are first and > foremost interested in advancing the project, and any other > considerations are secondary. > > At least that's how I reacted when Gawk and Make switched to Git: I > gnashed my teeth and adapted. I hope so will you. I think the debate could be made more constructive, if bzr upstream would show some life signs and accept the bzr-fastimport patches floating around, and other patches. Then people could use whatever local tooling they like. -- Joakim Verona