From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Madhu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:54:01 +0530 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12590"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:W2xlOfmo5PzGQM3LUnbUx/6QJ/Y= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 08:38:44 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEOFY-0003Aw-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:38:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEOEq-0002Yg-BA; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:38:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEO0p-0005Q1-9w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:23:31 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEO0n-0006u8-IZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:23:31 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEO0k-0009dM-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:23:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:37:58 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325572 Archived-At: * Adam Porter <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> : Wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 23:35:35 -0600: > But it is not okay for you to blame Stefan for your decision to leave. > As you know, in the past he served as the Emacs maintainer, and now he > remains a prominent contributor, and a maintainer of some parts of > Emacs, but not of the overall project. So if you can't abide some > technical decisions that have been made by Stefan M., you ought to take > them up with Eli, Andrea, and Stefan K. And if they disagree with you > and won't overturn those decisions, and you decide to leave, you ought > to ascribe that responsibility simply and honestly, not by publicly > defaming Stefan M. like this. It does not behoove you, nor the GNU > Emacs project, to act this way. The correct response to these complaints would be if Eli and the maintainers would reign in Stefan and address the genuine concerns rather than gerrymandering on with the present course. This again purposely misses the point and does not address the isssue raised by the resignation. That there are problems with Stefans intentions which are not as stated which are of concern to emacs development as a whole, these are being swept under the floor. There are repeated concerns that the way Stefan is leading development us destroying the value of core which RMS brought to us from the 70s. This is being set aside through bulldozering narrative.