From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rmail mbox-format branch Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:39:37 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <41406C46.6050505@pajato.com> <01c4969e$Blat.v2.2.2$d48c9a40@zahav.net.il> <20040909221947.GB11694@fencepost> <01c49717$Blat.v2.2.2$402ab840@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1094812927 24008 80.91.224.253 (10 Sep 2004 10:42:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 10 12:41:56 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5iqp-0000C1-00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:41:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C5iwC-00073t-Fz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:47:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C5iw5-00073F-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:47:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C5iw3-00072a-Kg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:47:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C5iw3-000725-JL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:47:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C5iq0-0000X6-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 88829 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2004 10:39:38 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2004 10:39:38 -0000 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <01c49717$Blat.v2.2.2$402ab840@zahav.net.il> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:18:16 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26953 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26953 "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > I don't think it's reasonable to hope for that. Experience shows that > 21.4 will most probably be followed by a bugfix release 21.5, a month > or two after 21.4 is out; if that happens, we cannot move 22.1 into a > pretest before the bugfix release is out. It will probably take a month or two for the emacs developers to fix bugs in the unicode branch before starting pretest on 22.1 -- in the meantime, we can run a pretest for 21.5 bug-fix release if necessary. > > Experience also shows that a pretest of a major new release takes > several months. 21.1 took more than 6 months, IIRC, and it was used > by more people before the pretest than the Unicode branch is now. 21.1 was developed within a "closed group". 21.4 has been developed in a wide open forum since day 1, and I think that CVS emacs is used by MANY users everyday already -- and as such has got more pre-testing already than 21.1 ever got! So I'm pretty optimistic re. the length of the 21.4 pretest. But if we merge the rmail/mbox branch to trunk now, I'm much less optimistic :-( > So I don't think 22.1 could be released before the end of next year, > even with the most favorable assumptions. Could be... Personally I don't think that's too bad if we get 21.4 out in 2004. I think rmail can use BABYL until end 2005 -- why not ?? -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk