From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Madhu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Treesit says grammar is unavailable when it Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:13:14 +0530 Message-ID: References: <1b24fc47-f792-415c-ac59-fcf3a2f5eeb9@gmail.com> <83r0jqs46e.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0jpqjd9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14445"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:ug/la89qT5g6lnhZNe1N2pW4vAk= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 15 07:22:50 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rE1b0-0003Uv-6v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:22:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rE1Zy-0001bd-Ul; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:21:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDyAa-000093-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:43:20 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDyAZ-0001Jy-6e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:43:20 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rDyAX-0009AL-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:43:17 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:21:44 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313840 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii <83r0jpqjd9.fsf @gnu.org> : Wrote on Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:27:30 +0200: >> > However, I would like to see the patch, since we seem to be >> > signaling an error already, and the error includes the error >> > message from dynlib_open? So what am I missing? >> We were showing error messages from dlopen, and then removed them for >> brevity, see e8df6c311fcf59bf23d31b9db2bb8fec9d78fbe7 > > If these messages are useful, we can revert that commit. > >> Maybe we can fold the extra error messages by default? > > I'm not sure I understand the details, but the idea is certainly okay. I still think writing a lisp interface to dlopen and dlclose would iron out a lot of things in the details and make it useful for treesitter related stuff. Or is the locking down the ffi interface done for FSF reasons? On another note, I also went through the same process with yaml-ts-mode, A pointer to where the treesitter plugin is available is missing from the docs. Then one has to turn to third parties for this information and to find the providers and toolchain providers and do the dance to their tunes. But most disappointing thing was that the modes come with absolutely no navigation functions. These are structured files, and emacs has provides way to navigate the structures. This is a general quality defect from to "prog" abstractions. (when the facililties are provided they are inadequate and a dedicated mode would have taken the diligence to do it right)