From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Merry Xmas and a... OMG, what did you just say? Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:51:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104526414 1134 80.91.229.6 (31 Dec 2004 20:53:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-review@xemacs.org, sxemacs-devel@sxemacs.org, Steve Youngs , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 31 21:53:27 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CkTm2-0005qu-00 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:53:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CkTx3-00063t-Qz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:04:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CkTwV-0005xG-Di for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:04:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CkTwT-0005w7-Gv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:04:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CkTwT-0005w4-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:04:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.208.165.28] (helo=snaefell.rhi.hi.is) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CkTju-0006Ly-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:51:14 -0500 Original-Received: from jin.myrkraverk.com (IDENT:0oBJ/YYu9ooevmLV1DeA0fvFr3PA15J9@a048.nemendur.hi.is [130.208.188.48]) by snaefell.rhi.hi.is (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBVKp6SM018514; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:51:07 GMT Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: (Robert J. Chassell's message of "Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:05:38 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31648 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17597 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31648 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > Steve Youngs wrote > > o I want a development environment that doesn't get boiled > down in "politics". > > That is wonderful! Yes, it's great ;) > What method are you going to use? After all, neither you nor any > other developer is interested in politics, but must have others force > politics upon you. We have the PPM to resolve most "political" issues -- I hope. > The XEmacs people decided on irrelevance: be obscure, do not do > anything that supports the rights of others to develop. The GNU > people decided to fight, even though they do not want to. > Fortunately, that mostly means most do not have to fight. I do not understand, I don't think I want to even try. > Are you going to make sure that every contributor makes sure his or > her employer or university provides legal papers that will convince a > judge that the contributor has or had the legal right to contribute? > That way when someone unfriendly sues a company you have never heard > of for plagiarism (obviously, no one will sue you or other developers) > the case is thrown out of court. What do you mean? Do not assume US laws apply to the rest of the world! In Iceland, I don't think any company or organization can suppress a contribution and I have the court rulings to back it up. Individual contributors will simply have to guarantee the legality of their contributions. Is that concept so hard to understand? > Or are you planning to be so irrelevant and obscure that no one > takes someone else to court? Some of us live in countries where stupid law suits don't happen. Or get thrown out of court or ruled *right*. At least I've heard no horror stories about any. > Also, how are you planning to avoid the politics of patents? No one > into software development and freedom will go near them, unless > forced to. So what will give you the power to keep them away > (besides being obviously irrelevant, or are you planning on > irrelevance)? What software patents? There is no such thing in europe (yet) and I honestly don't think there ever will be (for long anyway). I can't wouch for Australia (where Steve is), but I presume the laws there are roughly compatible with the British ones. I get annoyed when people think the world is limited to the United States of a certain continent. Johann -- This line is left blank intentionally