From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Network security manager Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:15:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <85a93pj1n5.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87sihg7r73.fsf@alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk> <87a93oilxl.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oas4h555.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416327370 13438 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2014 16:16:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:16:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 18 17:16:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XqlRk-0000os-GK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:16:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53979 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqlRk-0004bZ-23 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:16:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqlRG-0004Vk-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqlRB-0004qu-TI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:15:34 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:53421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqlRB-0004qe-NV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:15:29 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XqlQs-000815-BI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:15:10 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEXQsIKtjnOkUySyektB DAh4KRNomUVwAAACbUlEQVQ4jV2TzXbjIAyFRTzdGzveJyLsCTT7poF9jdH7v8pcYWdmznCS1NbH vfqBUluttWfBD61EBl86a4hss/siW91Ck9yNtaO+9nW3I16+z2v1xY1msUTP5Qmr53Kn0bzOL5ac 82qfRCVnO8+v6QMJrK3cAMoPMkmGYpTRENnh7neQAJqCKX/h0U6VYwdzOEDOMCWzsWNRso5EiMH7 nAFoad9ek38hDjCaXzswi/deJepLRepmrKyEXWbgyuzClbQPG1DVWfOhCEZc6w6WrgrIZOyx4+zu 6oInjGS2ZlrNiiheQo9rqwrsfMK4jM4suZ1A/5nsmBLCNGOPS1hdQp8Vs4VqNPrReAqDSngkE6vm t2FO+4oxGOIUYpOrbqdp2gGKhsK5xPXaT23hXQBwJYeOvOCUDSxdigdY6VF587ncLY0DonF38qqo zrd8RcETnPgAF8JPxUCL7ZOCWXfyiaJvpeJwymM86QjVzTNPNA8/j9qUbH8A/mAmdDnVjLuSc3XR 60xiZTeT/Sy+tQ4ksaQDJJqxu7TcLwdzPRqPlqL4JrfcF/N2AGSIYfCoqnuV5vbGHV0oOvZosLSu OQDXjeLFRO/lP7Cu5C4DnrzoRZM3cDrdQJrtH5AwGGQpRCoRKQLYy43uEj31SzvA6y9IOBbGhVMS 8Z8E0mr3CumD6aUSmHkFsitCOgm9OAy9LuR+g3QykVwKH4MeDRT+DWKo5OCyaU+5VC/HNXmEjCZa kZKgENADiM+op1X2MMs/8Q20XTpx+2ZWwIeC+YbbAXDbARJD0sdTpN3oJC7soJeg00HSDIVWqBuL uG7Wh5PzbwkTu0P5pFSAAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Talking Heads's _Once In A Lifetime (1)_: "Psycho Killer" X-Hashcash: 1:23:141118:emacs-devel@gnu.org::fri+YsBsjYITv1sc:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000i5cz In-Reply-To: <87oas4h555.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2014 10:58:46 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.51 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1XqlQs-000815-BI MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1416932110.98407@8luAv8nbDfw2YqHFc5LGfw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177575 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > LMI> Sure... but since there's almost nothing human-readable (or something a > LMI> machine can transform into something human-readable), I'm not quite sure > LMI> what it should display... > > The list of explicitly saved security exceptions. But they are per sha1, so it's not really feasible to do anything about it for a human. > LMI> I mean, I can see a user wanting to say to Emacs "delete everything you > LMI> know about me contacting news.gmane.org", but there's no real way to > LMI> match that up to the entries in the file unless you also know the port > LMI> number/service name used. > > True, but I really don't see the harm in saving those in cleartext. I don't like the information leakage. > Like I said, I would use a .gpg file if I was worried about leaking > that data. With the current approach I think you'll see two problems: GPG isn't feasible because nobody wants to type passwords. > 1) cruft will accumulate, since you don't know what's what Does it matter? > 2) when servers change names or ports, you don't know what to remove You don't have to remove anything. No manual administration should be necessary. Unless you want to revoke a security exception. And then you might as well just delete the entire file. It's not like it's a lot of bother hitting the `a' key a couple times the next time you start up... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no