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X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179629 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > On 12/09/2014 02:00 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> Texinfo 4 is still available, isn't it? I can't recall whether I >> installed it myself or it was just there, but I found Texinfo 5 >> unbearable and switched. > > And that's a problem. The fact that so many core Emacs contributors > stick with Texinfo 4 is not only a technical problem (Texinfo 4 > doesn't check syntax typos as well, it is still quoting 1970s-style, > etc.), it's a marketing problem as we're giving potential contributors > the impression that our development process has ossified. Yes. The way the Texinfo maintainers dropped the ball here is perhaps the best argument (so far) for why Emacs should switch to a different input format. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no